Against Our Better Judgment
The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel
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Alison Weir
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Soon after WWII, U.S. statesman Dean Acheson warned that creating Israel on land already inhabited by Palestinians would "imperil" both American and all Western interests in the region. Despite warnings such as this one, President Truman supported establishing a Jewish state on land primarily inhabited by Muslims and Christians.
Few Americans today are aware that U.S. support enabled the creation of modern Israel. Even fewer know that U.S. politicians pushed this policy over the forceful objections of top diplomatic and military experts.
As this work demonstrates, these politicians were bombarded by a massive pro-Israel lobbying effort that ranged from well-funded and very public Zionist organizations to an "elitist secret society" whose members included Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis.
Against Our Better Judgment brings together meticulously sourced evidence to illuminate a reality that differs starkly from the prevailing narrative. It provides a clear view of the history that is key to understanding one of the most critically important political issues of our day.
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John Foster Dulles was secretary of state while his brother, Allen Dulles, was director of the Central Intelligence Agency. In this book, Stephen Kinzer places their extraordinary lives against the backdrop ofAmerican culture and history. He uses the framework of biography to ask: Why does the United States behave as it does in the world?
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A duel biography
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Great Catastrophe
- Armenians and Turks in the Shadow of Genocide
- De: Thomas de Waal
- Narrado por: David Rapkin
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The destruction of the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire in 1915-16 was the greatest atrocity of World War I. Around one million Armenians were killed, and the survivors were scattered across the world. Although it is now a century old, the issue of what most of the world calls the Armenian Genocide of 1915 is still a live and divisive issue that mobilizes Armenians across the world, shapes the identity and politics of modern Turkey, and has consumed the attention of U.S. politicians for years.
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- De shaq en 02-26-19
De: Thomas de Waal
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A Covert Action
- Reagan, the CIA, and the Cold War Struggle in Poland
- De: Seth G. Jones
- Narrado por: Jonathan Yen
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In this gripping narrative history, Seth G. Jones reveals the CIA's involvement in a landmark victory for democracy during the Cold War. In 1983, while Soviet- backed Polish prime minister Wojciech Jaruzelski worked to crush a budding opposition movement through martial law, the CIA launched a sophisticated intelligence campaign supporting dissident groups. With President Ronald Reagan's support, American funds bankrolled clandestine newspapers, broadcasting, and information warfare. This initiative, code-named QRHELPFUL, proved vital in establishing a free and democratic Poland.
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A passionate true story
- De Chris Cembrzynski en 02-15-19
De: Seth G. Jones
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Stalin's Secret Agents
- The Subversion of Roosevelt's Government
- De: M. Stanton Evans, Herbert Romerstein
- Narrado por: Alan Sklar
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Most Americans have grown accustomed to accept the version of history that the Soviets were our noble allies and took the brunt of the casualties during World War II. But after decades of research by veteran journalist M. Stanton Evans and intelligence expert Herbert Romerstein, the truth has come to light and is now exposed in Stalin's Secret Agents. Evans and Romerstein focus on the role of secret Communist Alger Hiss at the crucial Yalta Conference of 1945, where vast U.S. concessions were made to Russia....
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Stalin actually ran our war policy!
- De WSV1975 en 07-04-13
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Manufacturing Consent
- The Political Economy of the Mass Media
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- Narrado por: John Pruden
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In this pathbreaking work, now with a new introduction, Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky show that, contrary to the usual image of the news media as cantankerous, obstinate, and ubiquitous in their search for truth and defense of justice, in their actual practice they defend the economic, social, and political agendas of the privileged groups that dominate domestic society, the state, and the global order.
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Eye opening
- De EFM en 03-24-18
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Fateful Triangle
- The United States, Israel, and the Palestinians (Updated Edition)
- De: Noam Chomsky
- Narrado por: Brian Jones
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From its establishment to the present day, Israel has enjoyed a special position in the American roster of international friends. In Fateful Triangle, Noam Chomsky explores the character and historical development of this special relationship.
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Ethical Right to the Point
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The Crisis of Zionism
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A dramatic shift is taking place in Israel and America. In Israel, the deepening occupation of the West Bank is putting Israeli democracy at risk. In the United States, the refusal of major Jewish organizations to defend democracy in the Jewish state is alienating many young liberal Jews from Zionism itself. In the next generation, the liberal Zionist dream - the dream of a state that safeguards the Jewish people and cherishes democratic ideals - may die.
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Urgent call to save the Jewish state from itself!
- De Mushon en 07-02-12
De: Peter Beinart
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American Betrayal: The Secret Assault on Our Nation’s Character
- De: Diana West
- Narrado por: Diana West
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"Russian influence" may have entered our national pop-consciousness in Election 2016, but it is the shiny, deceptive, contested, and buried X-factor of a century of wars in Washington. In American Betrayal, Diana West digs deep to uncover a body of lies that Americans have been led to regard as the near-sacred history of World War II and its Cold War aftermath. Part real-life thriller, part national tragedy, American Betrayal lights up the massive, Moscow-directed penetration of America's most hallowed halls of power.
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True history of WWII &its consequences then & now
- De jac en 04-24-18
De: Diana West
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The Beautiful Country and the Middle Kingdom
- America and China, 1776 to the Present
- De: John Pomfret
- Narrado por: Tom Perkins
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Our relationship with China remains one of the most complex and rapidly evolving and is perhaps one of the most important to our nation's future. Here, John Pomfret, the author of the best-selling Chinese Lessons, takes us deep into these two countries' shared history and illuminates in vibrant, stunning detail every major event, relationship, and ongoing development that has affected diplomacy between these two booming, influential nations.
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Indispensable for understanding the US China relationship
- De D. Keith en 03-12-17
De: John Pomfret
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A Problem From Hell
- America and the Age of Genocide
- De: Samantha Power
- Narrado por: Joyce Bean
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In her award-winning interrogation of the last century of American history, Samantha Power - a former Balkan war correspondent and founding executive director of Harvard’s Carr Center for Human Rights Policy - asks the haunting question: Why do American leaders who vow “never again” repeatedly fail to stop genocide?
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A dark lesson in dramatic irony
- De Andrew Palmer en 10-04-17
De: Samantha Power
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Bibi
- De: Anshel Pfeffer
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Benjamin Netanyahu is embroiled in numerous scandals, all of his own making, and may soon be ousted from the office he has held longer than any prior Israeli prime minister outside of David Ben Gurion. But Bibi, as he is known by friend and foe alike, is no stranger to controversy. For many in Israel and elsewhere, he is an embarrassment, a threat to democracy, even a precursor to Donald Trump. He nevertheless continues to dominate Israeli public life - and he may yet survive his current crises, the most challenging of his career.
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Very biased.
- De Anonymous User en 10-14-22
De: Anshel Pfeffer
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Renowned for her highly acclaimed and bestselling British histories, Alison Weir has in recent years made a major impact on the fiction scene with her novels about Queen Elizabeth and Lady Jane Grey. In this latest offering, she imagines the world of Eleanor of Aquitaine, the beautiful twelfth-century woman who was queen of France until she abandoned her royal husband for the younger man who would become king of England.
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Lo que los oyentes dicen sobre Against Our Better Judgment
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- mohammed owais
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Must Read
I would recommend anyone and everyone who is interested in knowing the truth to read this.
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- JB
- 11-11-20
The TRUTH
Wonderful writing of history. The same old thing. The powerful & rich are all members of secret societies... They're satanist. Millions of Christians & the poor have lost there lives because of there greedy agendas.
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- Jennifer Mullins
- 04-15-24
Excellent research
Well done analysis of the deliberate formation of a state against the best interests of many
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- Shaneka Muhammad
- 05-22-24
Control the narrative, control the masses
“Rediscovering the Truths of the past is the only way to gain control of the present & save the future” -Orwell, G.
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- Mapache
- 01-12-18
Shocking suppressed history. Audio is fine.
This is the back story of how a fanatical and highly organized minority came to dictate US foreign policy, including war, by the early 20th century. If you think that such a state of events is a recent phenomenon, you are in for a surprise.
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- B
- 10-26-23
every American should listen to this
A historical timeline that I wish more Americans knew. the sound was fine for me, bad for some i guess.
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- Nic Meerholz
- 08-16-24
Incredible history of the creation of Israel.
I wish I had read this book earlier. This book provides history of the United States role in creating Israel. It was an ill conceived idea from the start that was advised against by numerous US and Europeans. Unfortunately these warnings were not listened to and the world is dealing with the injustice and destruction created by Israel.
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- 08-29-16
Outstanding!!!
The truth, at last...
The sad truth about the complete take over of the US Government.
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- Joshua A. Gibson
- 12-27-16
This is a very concise, factual point of view
This concise departure from popular opinion is an important read and should be considered in any discussion of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The content is well studied with plenty of citation of other scholarly material. The narration was dry, but understandable. Overall, this is excellent material.
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- Ron and Becky D
- 06-04-17
Crazy unbelievable
How does one react to the statement "what you think is white is really black" when it is unarguably referenced, seemingly meticulously put forth?
I don't know yet.
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