In the 8th episode of Bounce, co-hosts Mollie Cox and Claire Flowers interview guest Fo Neale-May, a seasoned senior director of Product Operations in B2B SaaS startups. They discuss the core aspects of product operations, including its definition, key responsibilities, strategies for overcoming resistance, and the common challenges faced in the field. The conversation discusses the scaling of product ops, integration with other functions like design ops, and the importance of effective insight utilization and boundary setting. With practical anecdotes and advice, the episode offers a comprehensive understanding of how product operations contribute to the efficiency and success of product teams.00:00 Introduction to Bounce Podcast

00:14 Meet the Hosts: Mollie and Claire

01:04 Introducing Today's Guest: Fo Neale-May

02:06 Defining Product Operations

02:32 The Role and Impact of Product Ops

07:09 Challenges and Resistance in Product Ops

14:38 Boundaries and Responsibilities in Product Ops

17:26 Scaling Product Ops Across Organizations

20:23 Common Themes and Challenges in Product Ops

26:34 The Reality of Design Systems

28:11 Challenges in Product Operations

29:25 Identifying the Right Time for Product Ops

30:53 Organizational Structure of Product Ops

32:37 Misunderstandings and Resistance in Product Ops

35:58 The Importance of Seeking to Understand

38:25 Staying Motivated in a Misunderstood Field

41:38 Hot Buttons in Product Ops

46:01 Gardening and Final Thoughts