Get prosecuted by the EPA and found guilty, get fined several hundred thousand Dollars and make $1.5 Million profit out of that whole scenario.

If that sounds too much like fiction and Ocean's 11-ish, then listen into this episode. Many years ago James was involved in a big EPA investigation surrounding the Bowral Landfill.

Gunnar and James talk about

• how James got involved in that investigation
• what happens when you are a key witness in such a high flying case
• how that affects you personally
• how that affects you professionally
• how that affects the brand of your company
• what James learned from that (rather traumatising) experience
• how he and the company came out of that stronger and better (so easy to say in hindsight)

It is an unusually serious subject that the two tackle this time, but they still manage to make it entertaining. As usual one might be tempted to say.

Here is the link to EPA's update and ruling on that case

Here is a link to the some photos of that landfill:

The episode was recorded over a few sessions in May 2024

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