Justin shares how he created Winamp and sold it to AOL at age 20 and tells us about his current project, digital audio workstation (DAW) Reaper.

Segments

[03:16] The genesis of Winamp

[11:07] Winamp whips the llama's ass

[14:06] Nullsoft

[16:27] Winamp as a platform

[23:16] The business side of Winamp

[24:11] What was it like to work at AOL?

[27:06] Why Justin doesn't use streaming services

[30:03] Justin's website

[32:06] Why Justin created Reaper

[35:48] Shipping v1 of Reaper

[37:02] Reaper is built by just a few people

[38:53] Cross-platform codebase

[40:48] Reaper as a platform

[43:42] Future of Reaper

[44:40] AI in Reaper

[47:09] Questions lightning round

[53:36] Book recommendations

Show notes

Where to find Justin

• Mastodon — justin@cockos.net

• Justin’s website

• Ask Justin Frankel

Books

• Masters of Doom by David Kushner

• Nona the Ninth by Tamsyn Muir

• The Three-Body Problem by Cixin Liu

• Catch-22 by Joseph Heller

• Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions by Edwin A. Abbott

Podcasts

• Interview with Justin on the Internet History Podcast

Software

• Winamp

• Reaper

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