Join Jordan and I as we catch up with Jordan after his last appearance on the podcast, and really tackle some of the bigger questions like does Whitney Houston really have as many hits as people claim she does?

Jordan and I open up about our individual journeys through therapy and even some non traditional ways that have allowed us to find healing through past traumas and how they inform us moving forward.

Jordan opens up a bit about the struggles he endured at the end of Every Time I Die's tenure, the betrayal he felt from people who leaked his texts and emails, and how he's reconciled that.

We talk Better Lovers and the very apparent camaraderie the band has so quickly with one another. What's in store for the band moving forward and more in this 2 hour chat with the Better Lovers guitarist.

Intro Music:

“Remember “This Night” (Podcast Edit) by Chae Hawk

"Pretty Lights" by Heartsick

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