In this episode, John Kitchens welcomes back powerhouse leader Brett Sikora for a deep, real-world conversation on intentional growth, leadership decisions, and scaling without chaos.

Recorded nearly five years after Brett's first appearance during the height of COVID lockdowns, this conversation reflects on the pivotal moments that shaped his brokerage's evolution—from doubling down during uncertainty to building one of the most stable, scalable, and culture-driven organizations in the country.

Brett breaks down how real growth doesn't come from chasing shiny objects or expanding out of ego, but from clarity around avatar, disciplined recruiting, financial visibility, and relentless focus on developing leaders who create leaders. If you're a team leader, broker-owner, or agent thinking about growth, mergers, or expansion, this episode delivers hard-earned lessons you can apply immediately.

• How Brett leaned into opportunity during COVID instead of playing defense

• Identifying the right buyers and agents when the market feels unstable

• Why growth during hard times creates long-term leverage

• Why most teams grow by accident—and why that kills profitability

• The dangers of recruiting without a clear avatar

• How Brett filters agents before they ever join the organization

• Why part-time and misaligned agents drain leadership energy

• The numbers behind effective recruiting conversations

• How saying "no" protects culture, profitability, and leadership focus

• Why systems don't replace leadership

• The real power of one-on-one coaching conversations

• Shifting from leading agents to developing leaders who create leaders

• Understanding P&Ls before scaling or merging

• The hidden costs inside team growth

• Why knowing your numbers is non-negotiable for CEOs

• The mistakes Brett made expanding too early

• Why most expansions lose money before they make sense

• How to evaluate markets, leadership, and density before expanding

• The difference between a "sexy idea" and a smart decision

• Protecting A-players by not tolerating B- and C-players

• Why leadership energy must be invested where it compounds

• Building an organization where agents can achieve their biggest goals
  
  

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• Concepts referenced:

  • Intentional recruiting & avatar clarity

  • Leadership development through coaching

  • Financial discipline and P&L awareness

  • Expansion strategy vs. ego-driven growth
    
    

Growth doesn't come from adding more people—it comes from making better decisions.

The teams that win long-term are led by CEOs who know when to say no, who they're building for, and how to invest their time where it creates the most leverage. Expansion, recruiting, and scale only work when they're rooted in clarity, leadership, and discipline—not ego.

"If it's not a hell yes, it's a no. And knowing when to say no might be the most powerful leadership skill you have."

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