Guests include Gina Sanchez to talk about her paper, “Status of abortion curriculum in genetic counseling: Survey of graduate programs and recent graduates in the United States” and Dr. Holly Rankin to discuss her paper, “Termination counseling among US perinatal genetic counselors in the setting of second trimester fetal anomalies.”

Segment 1:

Gina Sanchez, MS, MB(ASCP), CGC is a genetic counselor and Instructor in the Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the McGovern Medical School at The University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston. She received a BS in Zoology from Texas Tech University in 2012, a MS in Molecular Pathology from Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center in 2013, and a MS in Genetic Counseling from The University of Texas Genetic Counseling Program in 2022. Gina provides prenatal genetic counseling services in both English and Spanish at several Houston area clinics. She is a member of the National Society of Genetic Counselors and the Texas Society of Genetic Counselors. Gina's research interests include genetic counseling education and increasing access to genetic counseling care for the Spanish-speaking patient population.

In this segment, we discuss:

• Assessment of the abortion curriculum in genetic counseling graduate programs and the study participants.
• Variability in the amount and types of abortion training across surveyed programs.
• Factors influencing the training provided.
• Greater satisfaction and preparedness among graduates from programs with a dedicated abortion curriculum.
• Notable discrepancies between responses from recent graduates and program representatives.
• Key topics highlighted as important parts of abortion education.
• Variability in clinical training as a barrier to abortion education and potential solutions to standardize this education.

Segment 2:

Dr. Holly Rankin received her undergraduate degree in anthropology, graduating summa cum laude, from the University of California, Los Angeles. She completed her medical education at Sidney Kimmel Medical College at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia where she was inducted into the Gold Humanism and the Alpha Omega Alpha Honor Societies. Dr. Rankin completed her residency training in Obstetrics and Gynecology at Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore. She received the Ryan Program Excellence in Family Planning Award at the end of residency training. Dr. Rankin is excited to be a Complex Family Planning fellow at UC Davis and plans to focus her career on providing abortion and contraceptive specialty care to underserved, rural communities.

In this segment, we discuss:

• The impact of state laws and location on counseling and termination options.
• Differences between genetic counselors and other healthcare providers in handling these cases.
• Balancing patient autonomy with counseling challenges.
• How reproductive justice affects the discussion of termination options, especially with changing abortion laws.

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In our fourth episode, we delve into the importance of gender-inclusive language in genetic counseling and the specific challenges transgender and gender-diverse (TGD) individuals face in accessing hereditary cancer care. You can find these articles in a special virtual issue of the Journal of Genetic Counseling which is free and open access for the month of June. You can find the Journal of Genetic Counseling webpage via onlinelibrary.wiley.com or via the National Society of Genetic Counselors website.

Segment 1 “Use of gender-inclusive language in genetic counseling to optimize patient care”

Heather Motiff graduated with a B.S. in Psychology from the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater in 2006. She has extensive experience working as a crisis response advocate and co-facilitating support groups for survivors of intimate partner violence. Heather discovered her interest in genetic counseling during her first pregnancy in 2010. She has served as a Community Resource Specialist and contributed significantly to gender-affirming care initiatives during her graduate studies at UW-Madison. Heather is now an oncology genetic counselor at SSM Health Cancer Care in Madison, WI, and is dedicated to providing inclusive, quality healthcare and genetic services.

In this segment we discuss:

• Specific examples and terms used in gender-inclusive language.
• Comfort levels of genetic counselors with using gender-inclusive language.
• Findings from thematic analyses on the use of gendered language and its impact on patient care.
• Suggestions for additional training resources for healthcare professionals.

Segment 2 “Experiences of hereditary cancer care among transgender and gender diverse people: “It's gender. It's cancer risk…it's everything”

Sarah Roth is a genetic counselor and a PhD candidate in Anthropology at Johns Hopkins University. She is a BRCA1 carrier whose research focuses on the experiences of patients, communities, and providers in cancer care and genomic medicine. Sarah has been a founding editor of Tendon at JHU’s Center for Medical Humanities & Social Medicine, a contributing writer at Synapsis: A Health Humanities Journal, and a recent predoctoral fellow in Bioethics at the National Institutes of Health.

In this segment, we discuss:

• Challenges faced by TGD individuals in accessing hereditary cancer care.
• Participants' perspectives on gendered language in healthcare.
• Actionable recommendations for healthcare providers to support TGD individuals with hereditary cancer syndromes.

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Stay tuned for the next new episode of DNA Dialogues! In the meantime, listen to all our episodes Apple Podcasts, Spotify, streaming on the website, or any other podcast player by searching, “DNA Dialogues”.

For more information about this episode visit dnadialogues.podbean.com, where you can also stream all episodes of the show. Check out the Journal of Genetic Counseling here for articles featured in this episode and others.

Any questions, episode ideas, guest pitches, or comments can be sent into DNADialoguesPodcast@gmail.com.

DNA Dialogues’ team includes Jehannine Austin, Naomi Wagner, Khalida Liaquat, Kate Wilson and DNA Today’s Kira Dineen. Our logo was designed by Ashlyn Enokian.