In this conversation, Wes Bush, the founder and CEO of ProductLed, talks about his background and journey in the product-led growth space. We start by exploring his childhood, entrepreneurial drive, and transition into the tech world. Then, Wes reflects on being fired from his job at Vidyard, how that experience fueled him to start his own business, and how he navigates being a leader today. Along the way, we explored some of the speed bumps in his journey: from making tough decisions as a leader, maintaining emotional distance from his team, managing anxiety, and finding balance while traveling.

In this episode, you’ll hear about:

Why Wes was fired from Vidyard - and what he learned from the experience

How he navigates being a leader today and approaches tough convos with his team

What gives Wes anxiety, and how he manages it

Things to listen for:

(01:21) Wes shares what his new book is about

(03:48) His entrepreneurial spirit and itch from a young age

(06:55) The moment Wes realized that any job that didn’t use his brain was a waste of time

(11:25) When he got fired for challenging his leadership’s approach

(17:53) Wes was told to stop sharing ideas

(23:05) Being glad he got fired because it wasn’t the right environment to be in

(30:30) Wes’s advice to a younger individual who needs to make a tough decision

(35:46) His experience spending 19 weeks of traveling in 2023

(41:00) Dealing with down days and anxieties

(46:30) He describes how his job has opened new doors and opportunities

(49:38) Which skill Wes wishes he worked on earlier

Resources:

Connect with Wes on LinkedIn

Check out ProductLed

Connect with Andrew on LinkedIn

Work with Andrew

Learn more about Appcues

Learn more about Navattic

In this episode, Kate Syuma, growth advisor and creator of Growth Mates, reflects on the low points in her career, the challenges she faced in her transition to leadership at Miro, and her journey toward embracing uncertainty and authenticity as a solopreneur.

In this episode, you’ll hear about:

1. Adjusting her leadership style after receiving feedback about being too reactive

2. Having an open career conversation with her manager and deciding to stay at Miro

3. The hiring mistake that happened after ignoring her gut feelings

Things to listen for:

[17:26] The pivotal low points in Kate's career

[23:41] The moment when Kate decided to stay at Miro despite a job offer in New York

[29:18] When her learning speed started decreasing

[33:53] Her challenge of balancing authenticity and the perceived image of a leader

[44:50] When Kate judged her own leadership style

[51:36] The moment when Kate made hiring mistake because she didn’t listen to her intuition

Resources:

- Connect with Kate on LinkedIn

- Subscribe to Kate’s newsletter & Growthmates podcast

- Connect with Andrew on LinkedIn

- Work with Andrew

- Learn more about Appcues

- Learn more about Navattic

In this episode, Joe Wilkinson, Founder and CEO at Artisan Strategies, discusses some of the challenges he’s faced in his career, his personal journey into handling workplace stress, and the lessons learned from handling transparency during company changes.

In this episode, you’ll hear about:

1. The time when Joe trained an individual to take over the team he was leading, just for him to transfer to a different team

2. When Joe was stuck between choosing his friend or the company he was working at

3. Joe’s boss telling him, “Great job everything is going amazing! You are the only one of your peers who won’t get promoted or a raise. No reason why.”

Things to listen for:

[03:32] When Joe gained the courage to go off on his own

[07:21] His ‘aha’ moment into entrepreneurship

[11:33] When Joe’s trainee was supposed to take over his team, but was persuaded to join a different team

[18:10] Will he choose his friend? Or the business?

[29:49] When Joe was told, “Great job! But you’re not getting a raise” at his performance review

[37:30] Feedback can either make or break a relationship

[41:16] Joe’s self doubt journey

Resources:

- Connect with Joe on LinkedIn

- Check out Artisan Strategies

- Connect with Andrew on LinkedIn

- Work with Andrew

- Learn more about Appcues