Double Take is a podcast about the art and science of making good decision, with hosts Matt Geleta and Anshul Jain.In this episode, Matt and Anshul take a dive into a philosophical rabbit hole with the question "What should I want to want?"PODCAST INFO:- Spotify: https://spoti.fi/43veDQv- Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3WZ6iSy- Google Podcasts: https://bit.ly/43ysWDZ- YouTube: https://bit.ly/double-take-youtube- RSS: https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/1540937/s/58013.rssCONNECT WITH US:- Follow, share with friends, and leave a 5-star review- Make a one-off donation: https://bit.ly/donate-to-paradigm- Matt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewgeleta/; https://twitter.com/MatthewGeleta- Anshul: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anshuljain32/ ; https://twitter.com/anshuljain__Transcript[00:00:04] Matt: Welcome to Double Take, where we explore the art and science of making good decisions. I'm Matt.[00:00:09] Anshul: And I'm Anshul. Have you heard of David Goggins, Matt?[00:00:12] Matt: I have heard of David Goggins. Uh, actually my very first serious running injury actually happened shortly after reading his book. Because after reading it I felt so motivated to just go for a ridiculously long run and ramped up my volume much faster than I should have. So, yes, I've heard of David Goggins.[00:00:29] Anshul: Yeah, I'm reading his book at the moment. Um, it's pretty crazy, right? Like, he basically had a tough childhood. He's in his 20s, I think. He's working at a pest control, as a pest control person at McDonald's. So he'd, you know, go there at 3am at night, destroy all the cockroach nests. Uh, pretty overweight, no direction.Gets home one day, sees training for the Navy SEALs on the Discovery Channel, like the, the most elite group of, uh, you know, essentially soldiers in the army, and he's like, I'm gonna go become one of them.[00:01:01] Matt: Yeah, it's absolutely crazy. It's like a switch flipped in his head and he just became an unstoppable force overnight. It's been a while since I read it, but if I recall correctly, sort of overnight he started training super hard in the gym every single day, going for insanely long runs and hikes. eating well, spending every second of his remaining time studying for the SEAL exam, and then before you know it he's submitted an application and he was, he was right there in front of the SEALs.It was just wild.[00:01:30] Anshul: Yeah, I think he, I don't think it was actually that, that straightforward. So he, he lost a ridiculous, like 20, 30 kilos, it was in pounds or something, but he lost a huge amount of weight just to make it into The first pass of the trial and then they put him through something called hell week, which is seven days of Basically non stop training.I think they get you know, something like under 10 hours of sleep during the entire week And they're doing intense physical training the whole time and he fails the first two times and on the third go his shins are so damaged, like he's got shin splints essentially, from running so much that he has to get there two hours early every morning and duct tape his legs so that he can do these, you know, 50 60 mile runs along the beach all day.[00:02:17] Matt: I mean, look, it's definitely impressive, I must say, but honestly, when hearing about that sort of behavior, it's really hard not to think that he's just got a screw loose in his head. And I mean, seriously, like, why would somebody want to put themselves through all of that? Um, when I think with that same level of effort and motivation, you could probably get all the things he wanted in a much easier way.I don't know. I mean, it seems like that behavior must be driven by some sort of atypical psychology to me. Um, But I guess on the other hand, I mean, he's inspired a lot of people and he's sure achieved a hell of a lot in a very short amount of time. So, uh, you know, he did completely turn his life around from what it was.So definitely at least better than the past controlled days, I would say.[00:03:02] Anshul: Yeah, yeah, for sure. But, I mean, the thing I find most interesting, obviously his story is incredible and, you know, he's done some amazing things, but what I found most interesting going through the entire book is he He changed what he wanted so drastically, to some extent. And, you know, maybe you can argue this is what he always really wanted, but maybe, you know, there was some part of him that wanted achievement and success, but...The extent to which he's doing it now versus what he was doing in the past and, you know, maybe in the past he wanted to get home after work and sit down on the couch and eat pizza and now what he wants is to run ultramarathons and come first. Uh, to some extent there has been a deep changing in... His core motivations and desires and that that's what I found most fascinating about the entire book, right?Like he he talks about the actual process of rewiring himself There's a period of the book where you know...
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