Sean: What can we do to encourage empathy in our people? What can we do to teach them about empathy and how they can practice it in their lives and in their work and in their community? Because that's how we're going to change the world.

Minter: One is that it needs to be realistic. So you're not trying to save the world because you can't save the world. That is a one way ticket to being depressed because you're disappointed in your inability to save the world. The second thing is associate yourself with something that's good and you. So what I mean by that is it's very easy to get wound up by any of these big causes. Hashtag Ukraine, hashtag BLM, hashtag save the world, hashtag empathy. The issue is or the question is how is this truly relevant to you? At a deep level, the number of people that have hashtag Ukraine on their webpage or Twitter profile or whatever and have never been to Ukraine, don't speak the language. Their name isn't Shevchenko. They have a normal name, never been there, don't speak Ukrainian or Russian. And they still put on this hashtag. So I'm not going to poopoo. Of course, it's a tremendously important situation, but think deeply about who you are and why you're going to connect to this cause. So this is sort of an injunction to the younger folks like your 22 to 30 year olds. You get attached to a cause. Yay! Sure. Yet do the work and figure out how it's deeply important to you. Not at some sort of do good. Put it on Instagram and show the world. But within you, why does it resonate with you deeply and how is that going to construct your identity in a positive way for you and the world? And I think a lot of people are not doing enough work on figuring out who they truly are and making that connection so that everything sounds great. We got to do all these things. We're going to pressure our bosses to do all these things, and they don't even have empathy for the bosses either, because reality is, bosses need to make decisions. Sometimes they're tough and help their bosses. Why not in formulating crafting a more meaningful cause that will do well for them? We'll do well for the business and everybody grows together.

Sean: It's so easy to say, but a lot of younger people still are, right? You know, you're nodding your head. You're raising your eyebrows. Where do you start with that? Minter? Not everyone is blessed to just have that kind of internal map within themselves.

Minter: 100%. And so true. And the reality is I didn't know myself when I was younger. Took a while. So you need to experience things. I guess the point here is we'll keep experimenting and checking things out and maybe you're going to a job hop. That's okay. But if you can, little by little, start to craft what's truly important for you. I call it finding your North by experimenting with different things. What are the things that resonate on a deeper level that are realistic and are true to your core? And the more you, sort of, filter down and carve out what that means, the better you're going to feel. So go out, explore the world. But think about it along the way without necessarily knowing who you are, but along the way of experimenting, well, that was really something that was really cool, really deep. And hopefully that'll help you even to find out more about yourself.

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