Ceramicist and former fashion industry designer Jackie joins Ben this week to talk about a topic that impacts our physical AND digital lives. Jackie has a great deal of experience and interest in design, but now she is shifting her focus to digital. Ben shares his 90s / early 2000s fashion and Rory Gilmore’s boyfriend choices before getting to the definition. Other topics discussed include: fashion, digital trends, puzzle video games, commerce, the mobile gaming market segment, and video game trend predictions for 2024.

00:00:21 - Voices, a determined Mango, a Masters in a week, and ceramic artist burnout 00:03:13 - Craft vs. fine art mediums, dabbling, designing jewelry, and creativity in commerce 00:06:46 - Emulation, higher education, Ben’s harsh sting, and the Pantone color of 2024 00:10:30 - Sharing and kindness, on your bum, and the 2VP sweatpants merchandise plans 00:13:39 - An elder Millennial, Urban Decay, Ben is team Dean, and digital marketing trends 00:17:10 - Jackie’s Google UX Design certificate, flavor of the month, and Ben’s meal kit idea 00:19:05 - The definition, media toxicity, Jackie is a Google person, and relatively new word 00:23:21 - Inspired by the Narrative episode, popularity, and changes in the fashion industry 00:26:07 - Universally “in,” the speed of digital trends, navigating e-commerce, and hobbies 00:30:37 - Blurring the line, and stories of creatives dealing with the corporate environment 00:33:47 - Questioning what big companies say that gamers want, and the mobile touchpoint 00:36:27 - Trending celebrity names, Jackie’s gaming timeline, Purikura, and visiting the coffee 00:40:14 - Jackie realizes her love of puzzle games, subway stories, and Netflix’s Knittens 00:44:12 - Weekly cat fashion shows, Juicy Realm’s premise, and Ben explains “bullet hell” 00:46:40 - Konami’s 1993 Super Famicom game “Pop'n TwinBee” (Jackie CONFIRMED)! 00:49:03 - Digital licenses, subscription models, Bethesda exclusivity, and favorite soups 00:52:28 - Catching Pokémon, getting vaccinated, AR examples, and why is it appealing? 00:56:04 - Expensive VR gear, doing virtual things while walking, and generative AI in games 00:58:34 - Jackie plays devil’s advocate, thoughts on AI, self-expression, and AI voices 01:04:11 - Ben’s new Google contact, a soul, sampling artistic works, and voice royalties 01:07:13 - Ben is starstruck, the Paula Abdul briefing, and Jackie’s closing thoughts 01:10:29 - The cyclic nature of trends, no Cabbage Patch Kids, and adding wrinkles

Follow Jackie Her website: https://www.jactse.com/ Her storefront: https://www.madbrooklyn.com/ On Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mad_brooklyn

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