Matt McLean, the all-time highest point scorer in the National leagues of rugby, joins the podcast. He shares his rugby journey, starting from playing in Wales at a young age and progressing through school and university rugby. Matt highlights the importance of school rugby in Wales and the opportunities it provided, including touring Australia and playing in the World Schools Festival in Dubai. He also discusses the potential of the university system as a talent pool for clubs and suggests exploring alternative development pathways in rugby. Matt talks about his time in Worthing and his rugby career, including his experience with the Welsh Sevens team. He discusses how he ended up in Worthing and his initial reluctance to move there. He also talks about the family-oriented atmosphere of the rugby club and how he enjoyed playing for them. Matt reflects on his standout seasons and how he found success playing at the fly-half position. He also discusses the challenges and trade-offs of pursuing a higher level of rugby and the impact of injuries on his career. Matt reflects on his rugby career, discussing his achievements and the challenges he faced. He talks about his pride in representing England in the Rugby Sevens team and the difficulties of balancing training and work commitments. Matt also shares his transition from player to coach, highlighting the satisfaction he finds in developing players and seeing the team come together. He mentions some talented players he played with, including those who went on to achieve international success, and discusses the potential of players who didn't quite make it due to off-field discipline.