Here's another break from our regular half-hour episodes, with another outtake from a previous interview. When we interviewed Rou Reynolds for episode seven, he spoke some very honest truths about how to cope with the realities of both activism and the state of our world. We couldn't really fit those things into the flow of the full episode, so here they are as a short bonus track.

Also, this gives us the chance to let our regular listeners know two things: One, we are incredibly grateful that you are out there, and keep tuning in! Thank you so much for your support!

And two, due to workload and travel, our last two regular half-hour episodes for the season will require a bit more time. The next one will probably pop up in your player towards the end of June. Martin is travelling because in two weeks he will show his documentary feature film 'Purpose' about economic systems change at its premiere in Reykjavik, Iceland, at the Wellbeing Economy Forum. If you want to know more about the film, do have a look at the website https://purpose.film.

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Enter Shikari's website:

https://www.entershikari.com

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Express Change is hosted and produced by Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting, with the team at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance. Find out more at https://weall.org and https://martinoetting.com

Rou Reynolds is the frontman and keyboardist of the band Enter Shikari. Formed in 1999 in St. Albans outside London, it found its current name and line-up in 2003. They have released seven albums so far, the latest being "A Kiss for the Whole World" — it came out on April 21st 2023 and turned into their first number 1 album. It's not easy to describe the musical style of Enter Shikari — we were struggling, so we turned to Wikipedia where it says that they combine "rock music (especially punk rock and hardcore punk), with elements of various electronic music genres, featuring breakdowns, heavy metal and hardcore-influenced instrumentation …” that description actually keeps running on, for another two lines. You have to listen to it to find out. Rou himself, meanwhile, may be one of the most politically minded popular musicians in the UK today.

Enter Shikari's website:

https://www.entershikari.com

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From our conversation:

Enter Shikari Songs:

"Take My Country Back" on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/track/102vOKAF3ZrSGgEaDKmiUG?si=dd3db8d3e93a4728

"Ghandi Mate Gandhi" on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/track/0IOtWMCvUNJtFR77d0AYfm?si=abb20b4537a743ac

Enter Shikari Albums:

"Nothing Is True And Everything Is Possible" on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/album/5RqRElQANHEUFyIWPt8FEp?si=NAT7fCrPQpuPRJY09xpnTg

"A Kiss for the Whole World" on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/album/54ueM4SD9fr9VTYeXJc8xp?si=Anwdrl8uQSaclqYh2j922A

Rou's book: "A Treatise on Possibility"

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/58107373

Bands:

"Adequate Seven" on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adequate_Seven

"Capdown" on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capdown

"Rage Against The Machine" on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_Against_the_Machine

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Express Change is hosted and produced by Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting, with the team at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance. Find out more at https://weall.org and https://martinoetting.com

This week, we're taking a little break from our regular half-hour episodes, to throw a little outtake into the mix. Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting — your hosts here on Express Change — have found that sometimes, the tables get turned: Our guests ask them something. In the regular episodes, we tend to edit these bits out — our focus is on the guests, not on the hosts. But every once in a while, it does lead to unexpected results. Our conversation with Mapumba Cilombo in episode three is an example of that. Here are a few minutes from parts of that conversation that ended up on the cutting-room floor. We hope you'll enjoy this.

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Mapumba's website:

https://www.mapumbamusic.com/

Mapumba on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/6V46XOVfnoCXHWBeZ92k5b?si=UCdGJv_oTEWol2A7kMPWlw

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Express Change is hosted and produced by Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting, with the team at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance. Find out more at https://weall.org and https://martinoetting.com