Episodios

  • FTG 0072 – Crushing Coaching and Community Development with Penn State Field Hockey Coach and Alumna Laura Gebhart ’15
    Oct 8 2024

    Overview:

    Penn State Field Hockey Associate Head Coach Laura Gebhart ’15 Agr visits the Following the Gong studio to discuss all things field hockey, coaching, and community & economic development. Laura grew up in Lancaster County and came to Penn State and the Schreyer Honors College as a Scholar Athlete. She shares how she worked to find the right major for her, got involved in THON, and won a Big Ten Title in Field Hockey. Laura gives her advice for Scholars and student athletes on navigating perfection and demanding schedules, and provides insight on life after athletics, which looks different for everyone. She also pulls back the curtain on coaching an Olympic sport and talks about NIl and gender equity in sports. This is a must watch/listen for any Scholar – especially those unsure of what comes after College, is heavily involved on campus, dealing with rejections (like hers from the US national team,) and those who are interested in coaching or community & economic development careers. It’s also great for any student athlete, whether a Scholar or not. Laura’s full bio and chapter markers detailing the topics discussed are below.

    Guest Bio:

    Laura Gebhart ’15 Agricultural Sciences is the Associate Head Field Hockey Coach at Penn State, where she engages in all areas of the program – from player development and on-field coaching, to recruiting and operations. Before coming back to Penn State, Laura coached at Bryant University in Smithfield, Rhode Island – first as the assistant coach, and then as the head coach. Prior to that, Gebhart led a career in economic development, working with two separate non-profits: EDC of Lancaster County (Lancaster, PA) and the Montpelier Development Corporation (Montpelier, VT). Along the way, Gebhart trained with the U.S. Women's National Team, coached a high school program, and volunteer coached at the University of Vermont.

    Gebhart earned a B.S. in Community, Environment, and Development (Community & Economic Development Option) with Honors from Penn State in 2015. Gebhart is also happy to speak further about ice cream, birding, and crocheting. Please feel free to connect with them at @coach_gebhart on Instagram or LinkedIn.

    Episode Topic & Chapters

    00:04 Introductions and how Laura discovered field hockey

    02:38 Pursuing playing D1 college sports

    03:44 Collegiate sports recruitment

    05:36 Selecting the CED major in Ag Sciences from being undecided

    07:18 Planning for life beyond being a Scholar Athlete

    08:33 Balancing life as a Scholar and as an Athlete

    09:27 Roles of different advisors

    10:20 Additional campus opportunities

    12:01 THON as an athlete

    15:31 Reflecting on athletic accomplishments

    16:53 The Honors Thesis

    18:37 Transitioning to life as an alum

    22:59 Overcoming setbacks

    24:08 Full time roles in economic development

    25:58 Getting into coaching

    28:42 Volunteer coaching

    31:52 Taking a step back to take two forward by returning to Penn State

    34:25 The roles of the coaching staff

    37:19 Year in the life of a Division I coach

    40:42 Day-in-the-life of a coach in-season

    42:33 Challenges of coaching and supporting high-achieving students

    46:01 The impact of NIL on athletics

    53:07 Jump here for post NIL discussion to the Olympics

    55:25 Coaching against former teammates - personal vs professional in the workplace

    57:32 Fundraising and facilities

    59:55 Things not asked

    01:04:02 Biggest successes and failures

    01:09:27 Laura's thoughts on mentorship

    01:11:12 Shoutouts

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  • FTG 0071 – Building Your Career Across Industries with Brad Zanette ’18
    Sep 17 2024

    Overview:

    Architectural engineer turned consultant turned technology solutions engineer Brad Zanette joins the show from New York City to share his perspectives and advice for current Scholars and young alumni. Brad came to Penn State and made the most of his opportunities during his five years at University Park, earning his bachelors and masters in architectural engineering while completing several internships, including work on the earlier stages of the East Halls renovation project. One of those internships led to a full-time role at Deloitte and subsequent work at Oracle. While certainly useful for engineering Scholars, this episode is great for any Scholars who have multiple interests and want to hear unique strategies for setting themselves apart in the job search. Brad’s bio is available below along with chapter markers detailing the topics discussed.

    Guest Bio:

    Brad Zanette ’18 Engineering is a lead principal solution engineer at Oracle in New York, New York (remote/occasional travel) where he helps business within the Architecture, Engineering, & Construction ("AEC") industry undergo large scale digital business transformations. Before joining Oracle in 2021, he previously worked in consulting with Deloitte and construction management with several general contractors and a subcontractor. He earned both a bachelors and masters of architectural engineering with honors from Penn State’s College of Engineering in 2018. He's happy to discuss growing up in northeast PA, working construction, studying in China, and living in New York. Please feel free to connect with him on LinkedIn.

    Episode Topic & Chapters:

    00:05 Introductions and how Brad came to Penn State

    01:11 Choosing and defining architectural engineering

    05:17 Deloitte Leadership Development Center

    06:38 Other leadership opportunities

    08:41 Carefully selecting the best fitting study abroad program

    11:55 The Honors Thesis

    16:18 Early career and internship success

    20:29 East Halls renovation project

    23:05 AEC - the construction acronym at work

    27:22 Consulting

    34:38 Deciding to leave consulting

    36:22 Construction tech

    39:40 Transitioning from on-site to desk work

    42:08 Continuing education and lifelong learning

    44:21 Outside community and industry involvement

    46:35 Resume and LinkedIn tips

    50:53 Questions that should have been asked

    54:17 Biggest successes and failures

    57:42 Thoughts on mentorship

    01:01:48 Shoutouts

    01:03:31 Brad's final piece of advice

    01:04:50 How to connect with Brad

    01:05:05 Which Creamery Ice Cream flavor Brad would be and why + wrap up

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  • FTG 0070 – Assembling the Future of Vehicles with Engineer Apoorva Mathur ’18
    Aug 27 2024

    Overview:

    Industrial engineer Apoorva Mathur ’18 joins FTG from Oregon to discuss her career at the intersection of manufacturing and the transition to zero emissions vehicles. She shares how she came to Penn State, and leveraged internships in a variety of fields and clubs on campus to find her academic and career interests. Apoorva details her participation in a career rotation program at Daimler and approaches her work – from Germany to Detroit to Portland – in transitioning primarily commercial and industrial vehicles to alternative forms of zero emissions power train systems. She leads efforts in this space while also championing sustainability and women in STEM at her company and earning her masters in data analytics from Georgia Tech. This episode is great for any Scholar, and especially those figuring out what major they want to pursue and also those interested in manufacturing, automative, or sustainability programs. Apoorva’s bio is available below along with chapter markers detailing the topics discussed.

    Guest Bio:

    Apoorva Mathur ’18 Engineering is the ESG Program Manager at Daimler Truck North America in Portland, OR where she manages the company's ESG initiatives and communication. Before joining DTNA in 2018, she previously interned at General Motors and Boeing where they grew their passion for the manufacturing industry. She earned a BS in Industrial Engineering with Honors from Penn State’s College of Engineering in 2018. She also earned a Masters in Data Analytics from Georgia Tech. She is also happy to speak further about emerging technologies in the automotive field and living and working globally. Please feel free to connect with her on Linkedin. https://www.linkedin.com/in/apoorvamathur1/

    Episode Topic & Chapters:

    00:05 Introductions and why Apoorva chose Penn State

    02:16 Internships galore as a Scholar

    08:31 Finding your academic and career passions

    12:14 Research opportunities

    17:11 Campus opportunities to pursue other passions - like dance programs and SHO Time!

    19:53 Why the automotive sector most resonated with Apoorva

    22:18 Career entry programs like Daimler's CAReer program

    27:46 Breaking down the terminology

    31:09 Graduating out of the training programs

    33:23 Connecting with diverse and long-tenured employees as a new employee

    36:06 Transitioning to EVs, from the vehicles to the assembly

    44:49 EV mythbusting

    48:26 Skills for working in the EV space

    52:57 Advice for Scholars whose careers will take them far beyond home

    56:10 Apoorva's thoughts on mentorship

    59:42 Continuing education as an alum and working professional

    01:06:04 Seeking balance as a young professional

    01:10:23 Unasked questions

    01:13:57 Advice for women in STEM

    01:22:28 Shoutouts

    01:24:34 Apoorva's final piece of advice

    01:27:30 Which Creamery flavor Apoorva would be and why

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  • FTG 0069 – Unravel the Supply the Chain with Executive Kristyn Harkins ’02
    Aug 6 2024

    Overview:

    Scholar Alumna and seasoned supply chain management executive Kristyn Harkins ’02 Bus joins FTG to discuss her career. Kristyn shares how her time at Penn State, from classes to clubs to her Honors Thesis, influenced her career and helped her rise through the ranks as a woman in supply chain at Johnson & Johnson. Kristyn now leads teams of thousands with responsibility for J&J’s entire supply chain in their North American med tech operations. This episode is great for any Scholar to enjoy, and especially those in business or STEM disciplines. Kristyn’s bio is available below along with chapter markers detailing the topics discussed.

    Guest Bio:

    Kristyn Harkins ’02 Bus is currently the Vice President, MedTech Deliver Americas at Johnson & Johnson (J&J), leading an organization that is responsible for operations that include Distribution, Transportation, Last Mile Logistics, Customer Services & Capabilities, and several Business Excellence functions. Her team drives the Customer Experience, ensuring that Commercial go-to-market strategies & MedTech franchise requirements can be flawlessly executed. Across her more than 20 year at J&J, Kristyn has worked across the Supply Chain pillars of Plan, Source, Make & Deliver and in multiple business sectors, including Consumer Products and MedTech. She has held leadership roles in Customer Logistics, Transportation, Analytics, Planning, Sourcing, External Manufacturing, Strategy Deployment & Supply Chain Customer Solutions.

    Kristyn holds a BS with Honors in Business Logistics (now Supply Chain Management) from the Penn State College of Business and a University and an MBA from Rutgers University. She is a certified Six Sigma Black Belt and was recognized in 2019 with a TWIN (Tribute to Women in Industry) Award. Throughout her career, Kristyn has fostered a passion for developing future talent and increasing representation of women in the Supply Chain field. She served as the liaison for J&J with the Penn State Center for Supply Chain Research for three years, and she is currently on the Advisory Board for the University of Tennessee Global Supply Chain Institute. Kristyn also serves as the Youth Pillar Sponsor for the J&J WiSTEM2D initiative. Kristyn lives in Flemington, NJ with her husband Tim, two sons (Aidan & Ryan), and dog (Miles). She is an avid Peloton rider and spends much of her free time cheering from the sidelines for her kids’ sporting events.

    Episode Topics & Chapters:

    00:05 Introduction and why Kristyn chose Penn State

    01:36 Selecting supply chain as a major

    03:06 Current state of supply chain jobs for grads

    04:13 Using teaching experience in the workplace

    06:11 The value of being involved on campus

    08:13 Planning events is like small business ownership

    10:52 THON

    12:51 The Honors Thesis!

    15:29 Co-ops and first jobs after college

    17:27 Advice for current Scholars and new grads

    20:24 Entry-level supply chain roles

    23:18 Continuing curiosity and education while working full time

    26:22 Moving up while staying at one firm

    29:44 Transitioning from leading one team to the next

    32:10 Building relationships with outside partners, vendors, etc.

    35:25 Rising to overseeing continental level division

    37:45 Kristyn explains her job title and responsibilities

    39:42 Addressing "last mile" challenges

    42:19 Thinking like an executive

    44:53 Navigating the pandemic

    48:15 Dealing with sales and divestitures

    50:47 Balancing work and family

    57:50 Getting involved in your industry

    00:17 One company careers

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  • FTG 0068 – PIVOT! With Engineer – Consultant – Entrepreneur Reed Taylor ’14
    Jul 23 2024

    Overview:

    Engineer Consultant Manufacturer Entrepreneur Reed Taylor ’14 Engineering joins Following the Gong from Connecticut to discuss his career story of pivoting from one role to the next, all while using his skills and experiences from being a Schreyer Scholar in Chemical Engineering. Learn how Reed went from making lifelong friends at SHO Time, participated in THON, and hit the slopes with the Penn State Ski Club before embarking on the first stages of a career in pharma, consulting, manufacturing, and entrepreneurship, with a stop at Harvard Business School mixed in. Reed shares great advice for any Scholar, but especially those with an itch to constantly learn and lead new things regardless of major. Reed’s bio is available below along with chapter markers detailing the topics discussed.

    Guest Bio:

    Reed Taylor ’14 is the Senior Vice President, M&A, Transformation and Strategy at Summit Wash Holdings in Norwalk, CT where he sources, researches, negotiates, and closes acquisitions of new car wash locations. He joined Summit when they acquired Soapy's Car Wash, which Reed owned with his investment partners at Saddler Capital. He also served at Vice President of Manufacturing at Spot & Tango, a human-grade pet food company, while running Soapy's Car Wash. Prior to that, he worked as Project Leader at Boston Consulting Group and Process Development Engineer at Regeneron Pharmaceuticals. Reed earned a BS in Chemical Engineering with Honors from Penn State’s College of Engineering in 2014. He also earned his MBA from Harvard Business School. He is happy to speak more about mergers & acquisitions, entrepreneurship through acquisition, finance, consulting, or biotech. Please feel free to connect with him on LinkedIn.

    Episode Topic & Chapters:

    00:00 Introduction

    00:44 Coming to Schreyer from a STEM high school in VA

    01:37 Experiences at SHO Time

    03:10 Deciding on an engineering discipline

    05:47 Penn State THON

    09:00 Using club experience in your career

    10:37 Penn State Ski Club

    12:55 The Honors Thesis!

    19:32 Job searching as an Engineering student

    22:03 Insights on entry level engineering roles

    26:52 Deciding to go for an MBA

    30:20 Advice for b-school for non-business majors

    33:43 Consulting

    38:10 Pivoting to manufacturing

    46:12 Reed's career in car wash ownership

    51:18 Lifelong learning

    55:13 External trends in the car wash sector

    01:00:58 Work life balance

    01:03:22 Unasked questions

    01:05:52 Biggest successes and failures

    01:08:26 Thoughts on mentorship

    01:09:44 Shoutouts

    01:10:51 Reed's final piece of advice

    01:11:51 How to connect with Reed

    01:12:03 Which Creamery flavor Reed would be and why / Wrap up

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  • FTG 0067 – A (Nittany) Lion Running the Zoo with Wildlife Educator Jessica Greensmith ’13
    May 28 2024

    Overview:

    FTG goes to the animals as Jessica Greensmith ’13 Agricultural Sciences joins to talk all things zoos, conservations centers, and more! Jessica earned her BS in Animal Science with Honors in Wildlife and Fisheries with the original intention of becoming a veterinarian. Study abroad and research opportunities led her to find her path elsewhere – including ballroom dancing along the way – to working as a professional heritage interpreter at a variety of zoos and centers across the US, including Disney’s Animal Kingdom and New England. Jessica shares incredible perspectives on finding your career fit, overcoming failures and setbacks, research, and the role of volunteers in organizations like zoos. She also explains the role of zoos in the 21st century, working in a niche industry, completing fellowships and internships after college, and the power of maintaining relationships from Penn State and beyond. This episode is great for any Scholar, and especially those re-thinking what they wanted to be in their career, dancers, animal lovers, and those pursuing careers related to animals, non-profits and community organizations, or in smaller industries. Jessica’s bio is available below along with chapter markers detailing the topics discussed.

    Guest Bio:

    Jessica Greensmith ’13 Agr is a professional heritage interpreter in Boston, MA. Over the last 10 years, she has worked for Zoos, Forest Preserve Districts and conservation organizations creatively facilitating connections between people and conservation in order to deepen understanding and encourage action on behalf of wildlife and natural places. Most recently, she was Interpretation Manager at Zoo New England in Boston, MA. She earned a BS in Animal Science with Honors in Wildlife and Fisheries from Penn State in 2013. She would love to speak further with anyone interested in Conservation Psychology, Heritage Interpretation, Environmental Education or careers in Zoos, Aquariums and Museums! Connect with Jessica at jlgreensmith2@gmail.com.

    Episode Topic & Chapters:

    00:00 Introduction

    00:33 Defining professional interpretation

    02:12 Deciding on Penn State and Schreyer

    03:45 The PA Farm Show

    05:02 Undergrad research to save the bees and studying abroad as an Ag major

    09:34 Shifting off the pre-veterinarian path

    11:11 Dealing with rejections from graduate programs

    12:33 Finding balance outside the classroom with ballroom dance

    15:02 The Honors Thesis!

    21:31 Working at Disney's Animal Kingdom

    25:20 Finding a next step after a professional internship

    28:16 Developing people and presentations skills as an animal focused grad

    31:45 Completing multiple fellowships and internships in a small field

    36:21 Jess's experiences at different zoos

    45:51 Working across teams in an organization & non-traditional events at the Zoo

    48:45 Managing volunteers - like those in a student group

    52:34 The role of the zoo in the 21st century

    55:49 Getting a job at a zoo or a similarly niche industry

    59:28 Managing breaks in your resume

    01:04:00 Work life balance

    01:09:20 Biggest successes and failures

    01:12:35 Approaching mentorship

    01:14:30 Shoutouts!

    01:17:14 Final pieces of advice

    01:18:02 How to connect with Jessica

    01:19:28 Which Creamery flavor Jessica would be and why

    01:21:46 Wrap up and final thoughts

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  • FTG 0066 – Climbing the Ladder from State College to Lagos with Business Leader Adeolu Adewumi-Zer ’00
    May 14 2024

    Overview:

    Adeolu Adewumi-Zer ’00 Business and Science, a global advisor, change leader, and passionate advocate for a thriving Africa joins FTG to discuss her journey from State College to Penn State to Germany, Turkey, and now Nigeria. She shares her perspectives on majoring in math and actuarial science with an international lens. Adelou provides insight into careers in consulting and in-house corporate work both in the US and abroad and transitioning from detailed STEM work to managing and leading people in complex organizations. She also shares her experiences taking the plunge to leave corporate life and start her own firm after opening a regional office for one of the largest financial firms in the world and serving on corporate and non-profit board. This episode can be helpful for any Scholar, and is a can’t miss one for any Scholar planning to major or work in a business, consulting, and/or international setting. Adelou’s bio is available below along with chapter markers detailing the topics discussed.

    Guest Bio:

    Adeolu Adewumi-Zer ’00 Bus, Sci is a global advisor, change leader, and passionate advocate for a thriving Africa. Adeolu earned her Bachelor of Science degrees in Actuarial Science and Mathematics with Honors, along with a Minor in Japanese, from Penn State in 2000 after growing up in State College. Adeolu built a stellar global financial services career spanning four continents. She most recently oversaw ca. EUR 500M investments across Africa as Regional Head of Mergers, Acquisitions and Transformation Africa for the Allianz Group, led Allianz Nigeria as CEO, and has now launched ZER Consulting Africa from Lagos, Nigeria, where she collaborates with development agencies, investment funds, startups, and social entrepreneurs, providing strategic guidance in executive leadership, business strategy, corporate governance, and value creation. Adeolu's passion for Africa extends beyond her professional pursuits, as she actively champions critical causes such as financial inclusion, gender equality, and quality education. A sought-after speaker and thought leader, Adeolu frequently graces international conferences, sharing her dynamic insights on corporate governance, executive leadership, and gender empowerment.

    Connect with Adeolu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adeoluadewumi/

    Episode Topic & Chapters:

    00:00 Introduction

    00:47 How Adeolu came to Penn State and the Honors College

    02:31 Selecting math-based majors in science and business

    03:56 Using hard STEM skills in leadership roles

    06:02 Being a Bunton Waller Scholar too

    08:20 The Honors Thesis

    10:01 Choosing industry over academia

    11:54 Becoming a certified actuary

    13:53 The B and C - study abroad and campus involvement

    15:40 Using campus and family experiences as a manager and leader in industry

    16:57 Coaches, sponsors, and mentors

    19:57 Working in consulting

    21:28 Going from consultant to corporate

    23:22 Working in Europe and Africa

    26:46 Opening a new office/branch for a company and resources for working moms internationally

    30:19 What is Allianz

    32:01 Going out on your own & starting your own firm

    38:38 Facing challenging situations as a leader

    40:39 Leadership skills to develop as a Scholar

    42:09 Serving on corporate and non-profit boards

    43:07 Time management strategies - saying yes and saying no

    46:00 What the host didn't know to ask

    47:38 Biggest success and failures

    48:58 The responsibility of being sponsored

    50:54 Shoutouts!

    52:28 Final pieces of advice

    53:52 How to get in touch with Ade...

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  • FTG 0065 – Driving Up The Hill with Automotive Trade Leaders Yuri Unno ’95 and Amanda Blunt ’09
    Apr 23 2024

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    Alumnae Yuri Unno ’95 Behrend and Amanda Blunt ’09 Lib join Following the Gong to discuss working for major automotive companies Toyota and GM, respectively, in Washington D.C. They both share their stories of finding Penn State – Yuri as an international student, Amanda as someone from “outside Philly” – and how they found interests working in trade policy, lobbying, legal affairs, and more. Both share their insights on graduate and professional school, careers in these fields, educating government administrators and legislators, and navigating the complexities of the nation’s capital. This episode is great for any Scholar, and especially those interested in these topics, international students, and those who live or plan to live and work in and around DC. Both Amanda and Yuri’s bios are available below along with chapter markers detailing the topics discussed.

    Guest Bios:

    Yuri Unno ’95 Behrend is a federal lobbyist for Toyota Motor North America's Government Office in Washington, D.C., serving as the Director for Trade and Supply Chain. She is responsible for representing Toyota in front of the Administration and Congress on these issues. She earned her BA in Political Science with Honors and BA in Economics from the Penn State Behrend College. She also earned her MA from the Elliott School of International Studies at Gorge Washington University. Prior to her extensive career at Toyota, Yuri worked at a small consulting firm called G7 Group.

    Amanda Blunt ’09 Liberal Arts is Counsel for Legal Affairs and Trade at Detroit-based car company General Motors's Washington, D.C. office. She is an international trade attorney for the company and, sitting in DC, works closely with the company's lobbyists in the Global Public Policy office. She also teaches international negotiations at Georgetown Law, where she earned her JD. Before joining GM in 2021 she worked at the White House for 5 years under 3 Presidential administrations at the Office of the US Trade Representative. USTR is responsible for US trade policy, including negotiating trade deals with other countries and litigating disputes at the World Trade Organization in Geneva, Switzerland. While at USTR she won a case against China at the WTO, and negotiated agreements with China, the EU, Japan, and other countries as well as in international bodies like the United Nations. Prior to government service she began her career at a large law firm. She earned her BA in Political Science with Honors from Penn State’s College of the Liberal Arts. She likes speaking with students about law school, politics and careers in Washington, as well as international affairs and of course, trade. Her LinkedIn is: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-blunt-b933317/

    Episode Topic & Chapters

    0:00 Introductions

    00:44 Choosing Penn State and the Schreyer Honors College

    03:07 Advice for Scholars finishing at a campus other than University Park

    03:59 Advice for international students

    04:56 Amanda's Penn State origin story

    06:01 Being in a sorority as a Scholar

    07:29 The Honors Thesis

    09:18 Transitioning from college to industry

    10:29 Deciding on law school

    12:43 Staying at one company for the bulk of your career

    16:09 Lobbying at various levels of government

    19:29 Amanda's early career in big law and the White House

    20:57 Advice for Scholars looking to work in the public sector

    21:46 Working in business with a liberal arts degree

    24:30 Working for a "car company" but not being a "car guy"

    26:15 Being the "utility infielder" for the gov relations staff

    27:17 Effectively lobbying legislators and other offi...

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