Jay Pathak is the National Director of Vineyard USA, a movement of 500+ churches. But in identifying himself as a classic “reluctant leader,” how did he make all those transitional moves? And what has helped him become a leader in so many different settings? Drawing from resources as diverse as Dallas Willard to Conrad Gempf to Marvel movies, Jay is the consummate learner and views curiosity as a vital leadership skill. In this fascinating interview with Dave Workman, Jay reveals a unique humble approach to personal leadership development.

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