This week on GRIT: The Real Estate Growth Mindset, Brian Charlesworth is joined by Jace Gillies, team leader at Utah Life. They talk about growth, leadership, and building a team that performs with consistency. From closing 29 deals in his first year to now leading over 90 agents, Jace shares what it looks like to scale while keeping culture intact. Jace talks about his start in real estate, coming from warehouse work and having no idea how to write a contract. A quick ask for help turned into joining a six-agent team and earning six figures in year one. “I thought I couldn’t make money on a team, but I had no idea what teams even offered,” he says. The conversation moves into Jace’s transition from top producer to team leader and what it took to turn around the Salt Lake office. With systems missing and accountability lacking, Jace lost nearly half the agents in his first month. “They didn’t want to work. They didn’t want to be held accountable,” he explains. But with daily effort, recruiting, and buy-in, that office went on to close over $100M. Brian asks Jace about recruiting, and Jace shares the script and mindset shift that helped him add 31 agents in one quarter. He highlights how he uses social proof, automation, and consistent follow-up to find the right people. “I finally believed we were the best place for agents. Once I owned that, everything changed,” he says. They close out by discussing agent productivity and how Sisu plays a central role. From onboarding to coaching to contests, everything is built around tracking what matters. “I don’t know how to coach without numbers. Sisu gives us everything,” Jace adds. Top Takeaways:

(4:16) Value of teams & shifting mindset

(9:35) Taking over the salt lake office

(14:09) Mental shift in recruiting

(18:24) Tracking for predictable closings

(25:57) Sales contests & team culture

(29:50) Leading by example in real time

(33:26) Impact of sisu on everything If you're a team leader looking for structure or an agent trying to grow without guessing, this episode is packed with examples of how to do both. Tune in now! About Jace Gillies Jace Gillies leads the Salt Lake City expansion at Utah Life Real Estate. He entered the industry five years ago and now oversees sales for the entire team. Using Sisu, Jace coaches agents, tracks performance, and drives recruiting. His focus is on building a team where growth and results stay consistent.

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In this episode of GRIT: The Real Estate Growth Mindset, Brian Charlesworth sits down with Leo Pareja, CEO of eXp Realty, to talk about the journey from selling nearly 4,000 homes to leading one of the fastest-growing brokerages in the industry. Leo shares how he started in real estate at 19, thinking he would be an investor, and became one of the country's top agents. Leo dives into how market cycles shaped his career, from making over $300,000 as a college student to nearly going bankrupt during the 2008 financial crisis. He explains how those experiences taught him to adapt and build resilience. "I thought I was that good. I wasn’t. I was just in a bubble," he admits. He also shares how these lessons now influence his leadership at eXp, where he focuses on staying ahead of industry shifts. The conversation explores what it takes to scale in real estate. Leo discusses how he built one of the first teams to do over $100 million in sales and why understanding unit economics and market timing made the difference. He explains how the best agents and teams today focus on efficiency, lead generation, and knowing their numbers. As CEO, Leo is now leading eXp 2.0, a new phase of the company focused on making everything faster, smoother, and more agent-centric. He breaks down how eXp is investing in better technology, faster payments, and deeper agent support to stay ahead. "My goal is to deliver so much value that it’s silly not to be with us," he says. Leo also gets personal, sharing how he prioritizes family and work-life balance despite a demanding role. He tracks time with his kids, blocks out non-negotiable time for them, and keeps his schedule tight. "90 percent of the time you’ll spend with your kids is before they turn 18. Make it count," he shares.

Top Takeaways:

(1:53) Leo's real estate and tech journey

(6:22) Entering tech at the worst possible time

(8:32) The first big real estate win

(10:19) The two ways to scale in real estate

(11:27) Why should agents not copy top producers?

(13:38) The importance of relationships

(19:15) Why eXp changed everything

(20:49) Why franchises are dying

(21:53) What makes eXp 2.0 different?

(24:54) Real estate market growth predictions

(27:43) What agents should focus on now

(29:42) Adapting to change in business

(31:08) Controlling your own success Don’t miss this episode if you want insight into scaling a business, navigating market cycles, and building a real estate career that lasts. Tune in to hear Leo’s perspective on the future of the industry and how the right mindset can make all the difference. About Leo Pareja

Leo Pareja started his real estate career at 19 and became the #1 Keller Williams Agent worldwide by 28. Over 15 years, he sold around 4,000 homes before co-founding Washington Capital Partners in 2012, which grew into one of the largest private lending firms on the East Coast. In 2016, he co-founded Remine, a real estate tech platform that reached 80% market share and over 1.1 million users. After exiting both companies, he joined eXp Realty’s leadership team and now serves as CEO. He has been featured in the Swanepoel Power 200 and co-founded the Pareja Family Foundation, providing scholarships for women and minorities to enter the tech industry.

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In this episode of GRIT: The Real Estate Growth Mindset, Brian Charlesworth welcomes Desi Williams and Elizabeth McNally, two high-performing team leaders who are breaking records in small markets. Desi Williams from Burley, Idaho, and Elizabeth McNally from Medicine Hat, Alberta, share how they've captured over 40% market share in communities where most agents settle for 20 deals a year. Desi shares her journey of moving to Idaho and starting her real estate career with no sphere of influence. Her first big break came from courageously pitching a developer for a listing, which resulted in selling all 14 homes in the project. "I had to show I was willing to do the work," Desi explains, reflecting on how determination fueled her growth. Elizabeth, from Alberta, also built her business from the ground up by focusing on professionalism and innovation, introducing professional photography and staging to her market before these practices became the norm. The conversation quickly turns to mindset and the habits that have fueled their success. Desi explains how consistency has been her superpower, maintaining 100+ conversations weekly to keep her business thriving. Elizabeth adds, "People often lose momentum after a big win, but that’s when it’s most important to keep going." Both agree that breaking through mental barriers, like fears of success or judgment, was essential to their growth. Both leaders reveal their systematic approach to growth, with Desi noting a dramatic shift after implementing a CRM: "I went from 40 transactions to 89 that year." They discuss the importance of consistent follow-up, maintaining high conversation counts, and providing value-add services that differentiate them in their markets. As the episode wraps up, the two discuss their upcoming mastermind for agents in small markets. "There’s not enough tailored advice for small communities, and we want to change that," says Desi. Top Takeaways:

(4:02) How to build stamina for real estate success

(5:36) Why do some agents lose their edge?

(6:23) What happens when agents make their first $30k?

(8:39) What’s the “DoorDash” model for real estate?

(10:49) How do agents escape repetitive routines?

(14:18) Surrounding Yourself with the Right People

(17:56) Innovating in Small Markets

(22:55) How does staging impact listing performance?

(26:52) The Power of CRMs in Small Markets

(31:07) Overcoming Self-Doubt and Burnout

(36:02) The Impact of Networking and Growth Events

Tune in to discover how these innovative leaders have built multimillion-dollar businesses in markets others might overlook, and learn their strategies for maintaining exceptional performance regardless of market size.

About Desi Williams Desi Williams is a Southern Idaho real estate broker committed to helping clients create their ideal home, whether it’s a starter house, a hobby farm, or a retirement property. As a mom of five, she understands the importance of finding the right space for every stage of life. With expertise in buying and selling, Desi provides stress-free transactions, marketing strategies for maximum exposure, and personalized financing recommendations. She’s passionate about guiding her clients every step of the way to ensure they achieve their goals.

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About Elizabeth McNally Elizabeth McNally is the team lead for Real Estate Collective in Medicine Hat, Alberta, proudly leading Canada’s #1 small team at Real Broker. Her journey into real estate began early, working alongside her parents on renovation projects and property management in SE Hill. With over 17 years of experience, Elizabeth combines her hands-on knowledge and passion for real estate to offer client-focused services. Her team provides staging, professional photography, and strategic marketing to ensure properties stand out. Elizabeth is dedicated to helping buyers and sellers find not just a home, but the home.

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