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Two outstanding guys join the show and talk in-depth about their careers that starts with how these two met at a training scenario. Dutch tells going from football practice for his junior year in high school to ending up in boot camp for the Army! Working at a jail at 19 years old taught him how to speak, which helped him undercover. While McAlpin was at the jail, Rocco was being told at the same age to come down off a telephone pole by Italian guys.

Dutch tells about dealing with the dope epidemic at young age as he was a cop before he turned 21. Giovanni explains what would have happened to his career had he become the manager at the Olympic Garden Strip Club in Las Vegas along with how they handle multiple aliases.

Do you need an attitude when working undercover? Does surveillance teach you anything in addition to the importance of having a good budget and resources to be successful undercover. McAlpin tells a story of a case where he could have been killed while Rocco tells one that could have ended his career.

As adrenaline junkies, how they handle situations when the hair on the back of their neck stands up. The difficulty of being undercover when children are involved or even worse; death and how they debrief. What do they feel like when take the bad guys off the street.

They are the co-hosts of The Mob Museum new podcast: Inside the Life. Stories of not only their career but guests who lived on both sides of the law. New episodes every Thursday.

Giovanni & Dutch Links:

Before the Lights Interview with Giovanni Rocco (9-2-2021): https://www.beforethelightspod.com/beforethelights-episodes/44ik5gp7xcply4yoaayw38b96opbbb

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