“Civil disobedience all through history has had a big impact. If it's non-violent but determined, it has a big impact and it has changed things. People say, how can you be against the law? I say, if the law is not right, of course you have to denounce it. That was the case for slavery. It was the case when women didn't have the right to vote. It was the case in South Africa with apartheid.”

It’s not every day you get to tune in to a conversation between a member of the Belgian royal family and a 22-year-old indigenous reindeer herder from Sweden! In this episode, Princess Esméralda of Belgium and Saami activist Martina Fjällberg discuss the human costs of climate change, from language and culture to mental health; indigenous rights in conservation; and Princess Esméralda’s eye-opening experience of being arrested for her environmental activism.  

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