📝 Episode Summary
In this episode, Rodric sits down with Brandon Liebowitz, founder of SEO Optimizers, to unpack what actually works in SEO now that AI, ChatGPT, and LLMs are changing how people search.
Brandon has been doing SEO since 2007, back when you could rank by stuffing a few keywords on a page and blasting low-quality backlinks. Those days are gone.
He breaks down why SEO is not instant, why Google and other platforms don’t trust you at first, and why backlinks from relevant sites still matter more than most people realize—especially for builders, contractors, and local service businesses who think SEO is going to magically make the phone ring for $2M builds.
They also dive deep into how guest podcasting became one of Brandon’s favorite SEO strategies, why he’s been on nearly 300 podcasts, and how he’s turned those interviews into backlinks, content, and long-term visibility. You’ll also hear about his new book, The Power of Guest Podcasting, and how you can use podcasts to boost your own SEO without becoming a full-time content machine.
🔑 In This Episode, You’ll Learn
•. The biggest misconception about SEO
Why SEO is not instant, and why search engines & platforms don’t trust you at first.
•. How AI & ChatGPT are changing search
Why more people are skipping Google and going straight to LLMs—and what that means for website traffic and SEO.
•. Why websites still matter
Even with AI and rich snippets, your website is still your digital “resume, portfolio, and store”—and why social alone is risky.
•. Backlinks 101 (without the fluff)
Why third-party sites mentioning you (backlinks) matter more than keyword stuffing, and how the wrong backlinks can actually hurt you.
•. Quality vs quantity in link building
Why a few relevant, niche backlinks beat a flood of low-quality press release links and generic news mentions.
•. What builders and local pros get wrong about SEO
Why paying for SEO doesn’t automatically mean luxury clients showing up—and what’s usually missing (hint: the right backlinks and content structure).
•. Site structure, topical relevance & internal links
Why one “services” page isn’t enough anymore, and how to use blogs and internal linking to build topical authority.
•. Content quality in the age of AI
How Google’s crackdown on spun content paved the way for today’s emphasis on genuinely helpful content (and why “your content just sucks” is sometimes the truth).
•. Guest podcasting as an SEO strategy
How Brandon has been on ~300 shows, why guesting is better than hosting for SEO, and how he uses those interviews to earn backlinks and repurpose content.
•. The mindset you need for SEO
Why patience, consistency, and “slow wins” compound into exponential long-term growth.
⏱️ Highlights & Timestamps
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[00:00] The biggest misconception about SEO
Brandon opens with the truth most people don’t want to hear: SEO isn’t instant, and search engines don’t trust you out of the gate.
[00:40] Welcome to Million Dollar Flip Flops
Rodric sets the stage and re-introduces the show’s focus on freedom, business, and time.
[01:00] Who is Brandon Liebowitz and what does he do?
Brandon explains how he helps people get more visibility and traffic from search engines and platforms like Google, YouTube, Amazon, and LLMs.
[01:30] LLMs, ChatGPT, and the future of search
They discuss how people (including Rodric) are using ChatGPT instead of Google, AI’s impact on traffic, and why fewer clicks doesn’t mean websites are dead.
[02:30] Are websites still relevant?
Brandon explains why your website is still your core...