Jenny Booth Potter and Nic Flores explores the themes of belief, safety, and commitment in the context of racial justice and personal growth. Jenny shares her experiences working in a predominantly white megachurch and witnessing the power dynamics and lack of belief in marginalized voices. She emphasizes the importance of believing people's stories, validating their experiences, and actively working towards creating safe spaces. Nic shares his journey of sharing his own story as a sexual abuse survivor and the impact of finding safety and validation in his marriage. Both speakers highlight the transformative power of storytelling and the need to channel pain into positive action. In this conversation, Jenny and Nic discuss the importance of long-term activism and the need for people to be in it for the long haul. They emphasize the significance of tending to one's own well-being and mental health while engaging in activism. They also discuss the challenges of being an ally and the fear of not having the right words or qualifications. Jenny shares her experience of leaving the church and the difficulty of reconciling her beliefs with the actions of the church. They both emphasize the importance of storytelling, listening to others' experiences, and doing the work of self-reflection and education. Follow Collision Podcast on Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/collisionpodcast⁠⁠ Keywords belief, safety, commitment, racial justice, personal growth, marginalized voices, validation, safe spaces, storytelling, pain, positive action, activism, social justice, long game, sustained effort, commitment, allyship, leaving the church, finding a new faith community, storytelling, listening, self-reflection, education, Black Lives Matter