Are you part of the Pcar Club? No? This is only part of the episode. Join at www.Patreon.com/pcartalk

Podcast Episode 233

• Porsche has announced that it will be discontinuing the ICE Boxster and Cayman globally in 2025, a decision that was anticipated for Europe but is now confirmed worldwide. This marks a significant shift towards EV models as the future of mid-engine sports cars for Porsche.

• Speculation arises about potential price increases for special variants such as the Cayman R, anniversary Boxsters, and Spyders as these ICE models are phased out.

• Will there ever be a comeback for ICE mid-engine cars within Porsche, or are they gone for good? Similar to the period without mid-engine cars after the 914 was discontinued.

• Comparisons are drawn to the cycle of shutdowns and reboots in the automotive industry, like the history of the Camaro being killed off and revived multiple times.

• Despite some auto manufacturers slowing down EV production, Porsche seems to be accelerating its transition, raising questions about the rush towards EV technology.

• Concerns are raised about Porsche's decision to cut the Porsche leasing program for non-executive employees within the VAG group, potentially signaling a shift away from previously generous employee perks.

• The move raises questions about the financial health of Porsche and whether this signifies a challenging period ahead for the company and the broader auto industry.

• The decision to limit access to Porsches may impact employee morale and the company's image as an employee-centric organization.

Are you part of the Pcar Club? No? This is only part of the episode. Join at www.Patreon.com/pcartalk

Podcast Episode 232

Thank Our People: We'd like to extend our gratitude to our Patreon Members for their continued support.

Brake

Members Only Show

......

Are you part of the Pcar Club? No? This is only part of the episode. Join at www.Patreon.com/pcartalk

Podcast Show Notes for Pcar Talk Podcast - Episode 231

Thank Our People: We'd like to extend our gratitude to our Patreon Members for their continued support. Additionally, we were honored to be invited by Charles Stanley to the Ruckus event, where we enjoyed participating with 70 cars and managed to dodge the rain.

Porsche Stock Update: Porsche's stock has dropped 36% in Q1, primarily due to slow EV sales. Interestingly, the higher-ups maintain that EV sales are strong, citing a surge in orders for the Macan EV. However, signs of a downturn are evident, which Porsche hasn't experienced in a long time. This situation raises questions about dealer practices around car allocations, urging buyers to purchase less popular models with only a possible chance at securing a special car allocation.

New Release: Porsche has just released the new 992.2 model today.

Racing News: Patrick Dempsey and Long have recently raced together in what appears to be a Cayman Club Sport at the Pirelli World Challenge, landing a podium finish in second place. This racing endeavor was likely possible with the green light from Dempsey's wife, allowing him to return to the racing scene.

Brake

Members Only Show

Some details about the 964 owned by Sean and then Mikes next moves for his 964.

Are you part of the Pcar Club? No? This is only part of the episode. Join at www.Patreon.com/pcartalk

Pcar Talk Podcast Show Notes

Introduction

• Thank our listeners and express gratitude for their continued support.

Discussion Points

• Discuss the popularity of Air and Water and its appeal to both older and newer generations.

• Analyze the significance of blending old school and new school in the context of car design and performance.

• Highlight the absence of Seb in the driver line-up for the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

• Explore the implications of this decision, considering its potential long-term effects.

• Provide insights into the long-term market trend of the 997 Carrera S models from 2005 to 2011.

• Discuss the significance of the lower entry point for manual transmission cars in the Porsche market and its implications for potential investors.

Brake Time

Patreon Members Only

Are you part of the Pcar Club? No? This is only part of the episode. Join at www.Patreon.com/pcartalk

Pcar Talk Podcast Show Notes

Segment 1: Rezvani Retro Style Porsche

• Rezvani, known for its tank-like SUVs, is building a retro-style Porsche based on the 992 chassis.

• The Porsche will be available in three lines: Carrera S, GT3, and TurboS, with only 50 examples to be built.

• These Porsches won't be bulletproof like their SUVs, and the base kit starts at $150k, requiring the buyer to supply the car.

• The design is a modern take on the classic 935, and initial renderings look interesting.

• Discussion Point: Despite not personally associating with the market for Rezvani's SUVs, the high starting price and exclusivity of the retro-style Porsche may attract buyers. Is this a cool concept or just a gimmick, and why?

Segment 2: Porsche's Performance at Long Beach

• Porsche took 3rd place at Long Beach, securing another podium but not a win.

• The nature of the track made it challenging to make overtakes, with Porsche holding 3rd and 4th positions for most of the race.

• Discussion Point: Thoughts on Porsche's performance at Long Beach, considering the difficulty of making moves on the track and the team's ability to secure points.

Segment 3: Gunther Werks 1995 911 Carrera and the Second-Hand Market

• Gunther Werks' 1995 911 Carrera, with only 2,289 miles, is for sale at $1.5 million, showcasing the high values of air-cooled Porsches in the second-hand market.

• This pricing demonstrates the significant second-hand value of these cars, emphasizing the potential for original buyers to make good money.

• The market for heavily modded/custom-built Porsches is growing, with numerous well-known and lesser-known builders entering the scene. Discussing the sustainability of this market and whether the younger generation will value these custom builds as the current market does.

• Discussion Point: Considering the growing number of builders and modifications, will these other builders be looked at as the RUF of our generation in 20 or 30 years, and why or why not?

Break

Segment 4: Personal Agenda and Future Plans

Closing

Are you part of the Pcar Club? No? This is only part of the episode. Join at www.Patreon.com/pcartalk

• Struggles with First Taycan Sales:

  • Discuss the challenges Porsche dealers face in moving first-generation Taycans, particularly noting the significant depreciation from their original price due to advancements in battery technology. Explore the potential futures of these vehicles, including dealer strategies and the implications of necessary battery replacements.

• European Market Adjustments Due to Cybersecurity Laws:

  • Examine the impact of EU cybersecurity laws on Porsche models like the Boxster, Cayman, and the ICE Macan. Delve into the challenges of complying with these regulations starting July 1, which have led to the discontinuation of these models in Europe while accelerating the transition to compliant electric vehicles.

• Macan EV's Market Response and Pricing Strategy:

  • Analyze the market dynamics and consumer response to the new Macan EV, which is priced significantly higher than its ICE counterpart. Question the sustainability of high demand amidst reported factory capacity issues and discuss Porsche’s strategic positioning and pricing in the evolving electric sector.

• Brake:

  • A brief intermission in the podcast to readjust and transition to more personal and community-focused topics.

For Patreon aka The Pcar Club Members

• Club Updates and Community Engagement:

• Personal Updates and Motorsports Chat:

Conclusion:

Are you part of the Pcar Club? No? This is only part of the episode. Join at www.Patreon.com/pcartalk

• Porsche vs. Singer Drama: Dive into the lawsuit between Porsche and Singer, exploring the changes on Singer's website and speculating on the reasons behind the legal battle. Discuss the potential implications for Porsche reimagination and other similar brands in the industry.

• Dealership Discontent: Delve into the growing dissatisfaction with Porsche dealerships, as customers face allocation issues and lackluster experiences. Analyze the impact of these problems on Porsche's sales strategies and the potential consequences for the brand's reputation.

• Exciting Cayman Projects: Highlight the excitement surrounding a Cayman drift car and a turbocharged Cayman S 2.0 project, discussing the innovation and creativity within the Porsche community.

• Brake

For Patreon aka The Pcar Club Members

• Special Restorations:

• Dream Car Dilemmas:

• Audience Interaction:

Are you part of the Pcar Club? No? This is only part of the episode. Join at www.Patreon.com/pcartalk

• Mission X Concept: Rumors are swirling about Porsche's potential new hypercar, the Mission X. This all-electric hypercar with a center motor, called the E-core, could boast a staggering 1700hp. While projections suggest it could be priced in the millions, it raises questions about its future usability and whether modern cars are becoming timeless classics like their predecessors.

• Top Gear's Best 911 of All Time: Top Gear newsletter is letting the people vote on the best 911 of all time. From classics like the 930 Turbo to modern marvels like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0, what's your pick and why?

• Porsche 963 at Sebring: The Porsche 963 secured 3rd place at Sebring, contributing valuable points to their standings. Did you catch the race? That Cadillac wreck was quite the spectacle!

• Rally Season Preparation: With rally season approaching, it's crucial to prep your cars early. Arnage Motorsports is already gearing up for events, emphasizing the importance of early preparation due to potential parts and tire shortages.

For Patreon aka The Pcar Club Members

• Featured Car: Porsche 1969 910:

• Hybrid 911 in 2025: