We zoom straight into the messy middle: the hosts map the Old Testament’s timeline, drag the canon-adjacent weirdness, and keep asking the only sane question—why do Christians never study the parts that break their doctrine? Cue First Enoch: angels sneak down for some pre-Flood “romance,” producing the giant Nephilim—yes, really—and setting the stage before Noah ever builds a boat. From there, Second Enoch one-ups the cosmic fanfic with ten heavens and a celestial tour that even the hosts call… boring (their words, not ours).

Then comes the twist most pew-sitters miss: Job doesn’t belong where your printed Bible shelved him. He actually slots back into the Genesis era—roughly Abraham-time (~2100 BCE)—which is why your mental map keeps breaking. The episode also pins the patriarchal period (Abraham → Isaac → Jacob → Joseph) to a working window of 2100–1800 BCE, ending with Israel parked in Egypt and waiting for Exodus to kick off. Along the way, the hosts rant—gloriously—about how weaponized Christianity depends on not letting people ask questions. You know, because power loves a fog machine.

Expect digressions (Netflix rabbis, Discord chaos), unfiltered language, and a very practical promise: this mini-arc is building a clean chronology so the New Testament takedown lands even harder. Listen, laugh, and load up on heresy fuel.

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📌 Topics Covered:

• First Enoch: Pre-Flood angel–human hookups and Nephilim lore, before Noah ever shows up
• Second Enoch: The “ten heavens” tour and why even fans of chaos said “hard pass”
• Job in Genesis?! Re-shelving Job to the Abraham era (~2100 BCE) so the timeline actually makes sense
• Patriarchal Period (Genesis 12–50) dated to 2100–1800 BCE; Jacob→Israel; Joseph drags everyone to Egypt
• Genesis wraps in Egypt, teeing up Exodus and the Moses show
• Why churches fear questions: the rant about religion as a power tool you’re trained not to interrogate

💬 Best Quote from the Episode:

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We’re pre-gaming Enoch—the apocryphal fever dream Christians can’t stop half-quoting when angels get horny and giants show up. Consider this your atheist field guide to the Watchers, their disastrous “heavenly HR violations,” and how this book helped turbocharge demon lore, apocalyptic fanfic, and every YouTuber who thinks fallen angels invented metallurgy just to ruin your day.

We also get into why Enoch didn’t make the Protestant cut, how it still haunts modern theology, and the messy overlap with Genesis 6 (hello, Nephilim). Expect snark, side-quests, and a few “did the prophet just say that out loud?” moments—because yes, Enoch is that extra. Listen, rage, laugh, repeat… then come argue with us on Discord.

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📌 Topics Covered:

• Who are the Watchers? Angelic creeps, cosmic tattletales, or both
• Nephilim 101: Giants, myths, and why this still infects pop theology
• Why Enoch got the boot: Canon politics and apocrypha drama
• Enoch vs. Genesis 6: Same lore, wilder energy
• Apocalypse aesthetics: Demons, doom, and second-temple fan service
• Modern fallout: From church basements to conspiracy TikTok

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Adam’s on his deathbed, Seth’s asking angels for a dab of “oil of mercy,” and somehow we end up with a medieval fan-theory where a magic tree grows out of Adam’s grave and later becomes the Cross. Yes, really. In this irreverent romp through the final chapters of the Life of Adam and Eve (aka Vita Adae et Evae / Apocalypse of Moses), we pick apart apocryphal add-ons that try way too hard to stitch Genesis to Golgotha—complete with numerology (hello, “70 plagues”), cardinal-direction symbolism, and angels doing glorified side-quests.

We dig into the “fruit of paradise” vs. the forbidden fruit, Adam and Eve living in that liminal cul-de-sac outside Eden, and the two “guardian” angels who…didn’t guard. Then it’s off to the Legend of the Holy Rood: Seth plants a seed/branch from the Tree of Life in Adam’s grave; centuries later, that wood shows up everywhere—Noah’s Ark, Moses’ rod, Solomon’s Temple—and finally becomes the Cross. Subtle, it ain’t. Also: “Bethlehem is the center of the earth,” Seth’s unreadable headstones, and Adam being assembled from rivers, winds, clouds, and sunshine like a theologically confused Build-A-Bear.

If you like your Bible lore with side-eye, pop-culture riffs, and zero patience for divine PR, this one’s for you. Listen, laugh, rage—then tell a friend and come heckle with us on Discord.

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📌 Topics Covered:

• What “fruit of paradise” actually means (no, not just that tree)
• Angels assigned to “guard” Adam and Eve…who absolutely didn’t
• “70 plagues” as ancient shorthand for “the whole pain buffet”
• The Legend of the Holy Rood: from Adam’s grave-sapling to the Cross
• Seth’s stone/clay tablets and Solomon’s “I can read this because an angel said so” lore drop
• Adam assembled from rivers, winds, clouds, and light (plus a bonus Holy Spirit soul)
• “Bethlehem is the center of the earth” (geography has left the chat)
• Four angels crowdsourcing the name “ADAM” from star initials—because why not

💬 Best Quote from the Episode:

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Adam is 930, everything hurts, and Seth wants a definition of “pain.” (Spoiler: nobody has one.) While the angels step out for a worship break, the Adversary clocks in and Eve gets blamed for…well, everything, again. The hosts roast the logic of angelic babysitters who take a coffee break right when the talking snake shows up, and we head down a rabbit hole of “divine consequences” that read more like management malpractice than cosmic justice.

Then it’s a side-quest worthy of a RPG: Eve and Seth trek toward Paradise to beg for a drop of the Oil of Mercy for Adam’s aches, only to get ambushed by a serpent that bites Seth; until Seth tells it off like a bouncer at closing time. Enter Michael the Archangel, who basically says, “no oil for you… for 5,500 years,” because prophecy.

The episode skewers the late-stage editorial stuffing where the text fast-forwards from Adam’s death to Queen of Sheba lore and a miraculous branch that somehow becomes the very wood of the Cross—a tidy bow, if your favorite genre is retroactive foreshadowing.

We close with Adam’s burial, a celestial brass section of angels, Eve’s four-day funeral (Adam got seven, cool cool), and the “make two tablets, stone and clay, so at least one survives” disaster-prep tip. It’s equal parts myth, patchwork theology, and sitcom timing; perfect for a snarky breakdown you didn’t know you needed. Listen, laugh, and question why divine timelines always come with fine print.

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📌 Topics Covered:

• Angel PTO: Guardians leave to worship; snake immediately clocks in... what could go wrong?
• Seth vs. Serpent: a bite, a rebuke, and a miraculous un-bite.
• Oil of Mercy on backorder for 5,500 years. Divine customer service is…not great.
• Adam dies at 930; seven days of cosmic blackout drama.
• The legend of the branch: from Adam’s grave to Solomon to Sheba to Calvary, prophecy speed-run.
• Eve’s funeral math: four days only, says Michael; also, make duplicate apocalypse-proof tablets.

💬 Best Quote from the Episode:

“You can’t describe something by using the same fucking word. That’s not how you do it.”

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We pick up where things got gloriously unhinged: Eve gives birth and the kid stands up and sprints off like the Gingerbread Man. Yes, still canon in this wild text. From there, the hosts unpack why the scene mentions “twelve angels and two virtues” (no, not moral traits—an angelic rank), then riff on hierarchy, bowing, and celestial office politics. It’s irreverent, nerdy, and exactly the kind of Pseudepigrapha detour we live for.

Adam then launches into a sweeping prophecy dump—Temple, dispersion, rinse, repeat—while Michael taps the water with a rod and freezes it like he’s cosplaying Elsa to shuttle Adam around. Meanwhile, Seth volunteers to go beg at the Garden gate for fruit (again), and the roomful of Adam’s descendants—25,000 men—collectively struggle with the concept of… pain. (“What is pain, Father? I am ignorant.” Same, buddy.)

Along the way, the hosts call out the text’s women-are-the-problem vibe, the backfilled “prophecies,” and the sheer comedy of a thousand-year-old patriarch lecturing his gigantically multiplied brood about mortality while they propose “get more forbidden fruit” as a pain management plan. Peak Bible logic.

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📌 Topics Covered:

• Sprinting baby Cain hands Mom a blade of grass—because sure, why not.
• What “virtues” actually are (angel ranks, not good habits).
• Michael’s freeze-spell water bridge and Adam’s prophecy monologue.
• 25,000 sons assemble; still no one knows what pain is.
• Seth’s “uh, want me to get forbidden fruit again?” plan.
• The text’s misogyny and the hosts’ eye-rolls at angelic chain-of-command.

💬 Best Quote from the Episode:

“Remember she had the baby and it got up and ran away.”

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Vita Adae et Evae

We crack open the Latin version of Vita Adae et Evae (aka The Life of Adam and Eve)—a pseudepigrapha text pinned to Moses long after the fact—and immediately trip over multiple editions, from Greek to Armenian, because of course the Bible multiverse needed DLC. We’re reading the English translation of the Latin because it’s the most readable for non-scholars who still want the tea without the footnote hangover.

Chapters 1–21 deliver premium chaos: Adam and Eve spend a week not eating (apparently “full apple” is a superfood?) then embark on a hunger strike because post-Eden snacks are “animal food.” Adam contemplates “angelic food,” Eve contemplates… death, and we contemplate how anyone survived the Bronze Age with this decision-making. Meanwhile, Satan (Sir Sneckles, if you’re nasty) explains his villain origin story: he refused to worship Adam per Michael’s command, got demoted from five-star-heaven to Best Western hell-adjacent, and decided petty revenge was the vibe. Honestly? It reads like a celestial HR dispute.

We also skewer the text’s sexism—as Eve gets painted dramatic-for-plot while Adam whines about losing his divine DoorDash—and we roast God’s third-person management style. Then we cap the night with housekeeping: yes, this is a multi-parter (57 micro-chapters!), and yes, we record live on Discord every Tuesday at 10pm ET—come heckle us in real time.

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📌 Topics Covered:

• Which version are we even reading? Why Latin > Greek (this time) for sanity’s sake.
• Pseudepigrapha 101: “Moses wrote it” … sure, Jan.
• Satan’s grievance: “I’m not worshiping Dirt Man.” (Michael says “do it,” Satan says “nah.”)
• Hunger Games, Eden Edition: Two weeks without food because Olive Garden ≠ McDonald’s.
• Eve as scapegoat, again: We side-eye the blame-shifting and point out Adam had the instructions too.
• Discord Live Tuesdays @ 10pm ET: Come correct our pronunciations and roast along.

💬 Best Quote from the Episode:

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Your favorite godless duo kicks off a new arc by shoving Genesis back under the microscope—then gleefully coloring outside the canonical lines. We define Apocrypha (the “hidden/secret” stuff) and Pseudepigrapha (the “falsely attributed” stuff) before diving into why so much juicy lore lives outside the official cut. Think origin-story patch notes: second-Temple authors, bonus angels, Satan cameos, and the ultimate “deleted scenes” energy. (Also, yes, someone says they’re never reading the Old Testament again. Mood.)

From there, we zoom into Genesis 1–11—creation, exile, murder, flood, and that adorable language-collapse at Babel—and tee up the apocryphal expansions that try to make the whiplash timelines…you know, make sense. Enter The Life of Adam and Eve (aka the Apocalypse of Moses) with grief, fasting, angelic burials, and Eve’s own post-Eden testimony; plus the hosts call it what it is: Bible fan fiction—and they mean that as a compliment.

Then it’s a roll call for the “extras” you were never taught: 1 Enoch / 2 Enoch, Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, and the sprawling Book of Jubilees that basically retells Genesis and chunks of Exodus—because of course it does. Strap in; we’re mapping the timeline, roasting the canon, and promising to actually read some of these wild texts next. Listen now, bring your rage, and bring a friend.

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📌 Topics Covered:

• Apocrypha vs. Pseudepigrapha—what’s “hidden,” what’s “faked,” and why it matters
• Genesis 1–11 speedrun: creation, exile, Cain & Abel, the Flood, Babel
• The Life of Adam and Eve (Apocalypse of Moses)—Eve’s POV, angel funerals, cosmic guilt
• Why Enoch keeps showing up in everyone’s theology like a mysterious uncle with visions
• Jubilees and Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs—when ancient editors couldn’t stop “fixing” Genesis
• The hosts’ thesis: apocrypha = context, color, and all the inconvenient bits your pastor glossed over

💬 Best Quote from the Episode:

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This week we ditch the Apocrypha to confront the political cyclone around Charlie Kirk’s killing—and the even uglier spin machine that followed. The episode opens with a scorching montage of right-wing grievance and Bible-thumping clobber verses (yes, the “abomination” greatest hits), setting the stage for how faith is weaponized to police gender, empathy, and civil rights. The hosts are crystal clear: murder is not okay, full stop, and the shooter is a terrible person. The real conversation is what comes next—how power turns tragedy into propaganda and demands obedience.

From there, we unpack the rush to canonize Kirk—right down to talk of a Medal of Freedom—and why that’s a grotesque rewrite of who he actually was and what he said. We also dig into why receipts are suddenly hard to find (thanks, algorithms), and why acknowledging his hateful rhetoric does not imply he “had it coming.” When Trump and Vance start floating vague “crackdowns” and even National Guard deployments, the show calls it what it is: creeping authoritarianism that feeds on martyrdom and demands a public enemy.

Finally, the hosts hit first principles: secular democracy means no church-state fusion (despite the Right’s confident fiction that separation is “made up”), and “religious freedom” isn’t the freedom to impose your denomination on everyone else. If America becomes “Charlie Kirk’s America,” they argue, we’ve already lost the plot. The answer isn’t violence; it’s showing up, speaking out, and refusing to let propaganda define reality.

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📌 Topics Covered:

• Montage of Trump/Kirk/Miller + Bible clobber verses used as political cudgels.
• “Violence isn’t the answer,” mental health, and sane gun policy—without the culture-war fog.
• The Medal of Freedom talk and why instant canonization is propaganda, not mourning.
• How search results bury Kirk’s own words—and why pointing to them isn’t “justifying” the shooting.
• “No separation of church and state”? The Right’s favorite myth, debunked.
• Talk of “crackdowns,” National Guard deployments, and the authoritarian vibe check.
• Why making a martyr is the point—and why democracy suffocates under that narrative.

💬 Best Quote from the Episode:

“But he’s a piece of shit. But murder’s not good.”

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