In this conversation, Ben and Spencer discuss creating safe places within the church. They acknowledge that while the desire to create a safe environment is good, true safety means being void of risk, and the gospel increases risk in life.

They explore biblical examples of how following Jesus is not easy or safe, and how the church should be a transformative place where people can experience healing and redemption. They emphasize the importance of accepting the messiness of people's lives and the risks involved in shining the light of Jesus in the world.

In this conversation, the speakers discuss the concept of safety in churches and how it relates to the gospel. They emphasize that churches should strive to be transformative rather than safe places, as the gospel is for everyone, including those who may be seen as dangerous or undesirable.

They draw parallels to everyday activities that carry risks, such as driving a car or flying in an airplane, and highlight the importance of mitigating risks rather than avoiding them completely. The speakers also discuss the reputation of churches and the need to prioritize the reputation of Jesus over pleasing man.

They emphasize the importance of stewardship, not just of money, but of everything entrusted to us, including the gospel. They encourage churches to take risks and step out of their comfort zones to bring about transformation in their communities.