In this episode, consultant and author Jill Nagle join us for a discussion on the book she’s writing —Skin in the game: how white people benefit from dismantling white supremacy.

We face the question: Why should white people want change? What do we get out of it?

We look at whiteness as a system that has created a set of mindsets with negative consequences—similarly to how family dynamics can create repeated, unhealthy dynamics and expectations that diminish our humanity, our health, and our capacity for truth.

Jill offers many insights, tools, and practices to face and heal white supremacy mythology in ourselves and in our society as we heal from other traumas as well.

Jill Nagle began her study of interpersonal communication at age eight when she read Haim Ginott's Between Parent and Child and attempted to teach her father how to talk to her. Since then, she has aimed her offerings at more receptive audiences.​

A longtime student and teacher of transformation and evolution, Jill Nagle's background includes Untraining White Liberal Racism with Robert Horton, Challenging White Supremacy with Sharon Martinas, and multicultural alliance building with the National Coalition Building Institute.

She founded Evolutionary Workplace, and Wisdom of The Body: Beyond Talk Therapy, and cofounded of Awake Parent Perspectives. She coaches, counsels, and trains individuals, couples and groups. Her multidimensional approach draws on and synthesizes cognitive, emotional, somatic, interpersonal, and energy-based methods. She is currently working on two books: One about the benefit to white people of dismantling white supremacy, and the other about reclaiming clarity from the default English language fog.​

She is also a writer, and has been published or reviewed more than 150 times in the genres of business, personal growth, fiction, nonfiction, poetry, and social commentary, including American Book Review, The Women’s Review of Books, Zendesk, and many more. Her user experience writing and content strategies appear in websites of companies such as Apple, eBay, and Symantec. She is a multiply-patented inventor, and brings her creativity, strategic thinking, and gift of connection-making to her coaching and consulting clients.

Resources:
Jill Nagle’s website
Jill Nagle’s LinkedIn
Dr. Rita’s book: Digging Up the Seeds of white Supremacy.
Family System theory definitions and basics
Reichian Character Structure explanation
Dying of whiteness book
Cleo Manago Black Activist
Killers of the Dream book
Cognitive Dissonance definition
Daryl Davis helps 200 KKK turn over their robes

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