The events of July 13, 2024 underscore the central question we've been asking on this program: How can we do better at talking about politics and religion without killing each other or is it even possible? In this special edition, we provide comments by several prior guests of TP&R as well as a number of other leaders from both parties. We included statements from David French, Monica Guzman on behalf of Braver Angels, Fred Guttenberg, former Congressman Joe Walsh, Elizabeth Neumann, Pete Wehner, Mike Madrid, and former Congressman Adam Kinzinger, all of whom have appeared on this podcast. We also shared statements from former President George W. Bush, former Congresswoman Liz Cheney, President Joe Biden, House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries and Senate Leader Chuck Schumer. There are other posts that are counterproductive at best, and arguably dangerous, from the likes of Marco Rubio, J.D. Vance, Tim Scott and MTG. These are referred to but are not worth giving any credence as we choose to focus on, as David French puts it, "recover(ing) our sense of decency and basic respect for the humanity of our opponents..." at such a time as this.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/09/opinion/thepoint?smid=url-share#trump-shooting-healing-america

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/trump-pennsylvania/679004/

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What's it like to get pounded by folks who passionately object to one's theological orthodoxy and political conservatism? And then to get mercilessly attacked for speaking out against the hypocrisy being exhibited by other supposed conservatives?

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In this much anticipated conversation with New York Times columnist David French, we discuss the health of democracy, judicial and political issues, potential outcomes of a second Trump presidency, and the complexities of interacting with opposing viewpoints. David shares personal anecdotes, including his wife Nancy French's battle with cancer, insights into dealing with dishonesty within political movements and religious communities, and how these latest chapters of American Christendom have tested his own faith.

We delve into

• The impact of polarized environments on political and social discourse
• Insights into the current state of American Christendom versus Christianity
• The judicial philosophy and significant rulings of the current U.S. Supreme Court
• Strategies for engaging in meaningful conversations across political and ideological divides
• Personal reflections on navigating public and private challenges with faith and integrity.

David Lee Roth... no wait... David French! David French is an Opinion columnist with the New York Times who writes about faith, friendship, marriage and parenting as well as foreign affairs and the latest developments in American constitutional law. He also writes about religion in America, with a particular focus on the health of the evangelical church. David graduated from Harvard Law and was a commercial litigator for a number of years, and then ultimately switched to constitutional law. Remarkably, well into his legal career, David decided to serve our country as an Army lawyer with the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment in Diyala Province in Iraq during the height of the Surge in 2007. After spending much of his career defending free speech, religious freedom and due process in courtrooms across the country, David joined National Review as a senior writer, but left in 2019 to help start The Dispatch, a conservative media company, where he continues to contribute to their "flagship" podcast Advisory Opinions. He also became a contributing writer for The Atlantic. And just last year, he joined The Times.

03:53 David French on Personal and Family Challenges

06:49 Faith and Role Models

10:54 Navigating Faith and Politics

20:19 Concerns About American Christendom

33:42 Potential Threats of a Second Trump Term

45:37 Supreme Court and Judicial Philosophy

49:44 Classical Liberals vs. MAGA Conservatives

50:18 Supreme Court Decisions Frustrating MAGA

52:13 Thomas and Alito: MAGA's Favorite Justices?

57:08 The Rahimi Case and Judicial Philosophy

01:05:43 Breaking Out of Political Bubbles

01:07:59 Engaging with Opposing Views

01:18:20 PCA Cancellation and Personal Reflections

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https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-french

https://www.threads.net/@davidfrenchjag

This is a conversation with Mónica Guzmán from almost 2 years ago right after her book, I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY, came out. Moni is on the front lines of addressing the problem of polarization and helping people bridge the political divide in their everyday lives. Everything we discussed is even more pressing today than when we first talked.

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What can happen when people from different "tribes" actually get together in person? We often jump to conclusions based merely on how someone votes. But do we take the time to understand how they arrived at that decision? How can we bring our friends and neighbors from a posture of contentiousness to one of curiosity? To put down the weapons of the culture war and pick up a cup of coffee with someone from the "other side"? Does sharing facts change people's minds? Does the tactic of dropping the perfectly worded factoid actually convince anyone of anything? Is there a line someone might cross where they're no longer a person we can even have a conversation with? We can have conversations about what is true, what is meaningful and what is useful. Is that all the same conversation?

Monica Guzman is Senior Fellow for Public Practice at Braver Angels, the nation’s largest cross-partisan grassroots organization working to depolarize America; founder and CEO of Reclaim Curiosity, an organization working to build a more curious world; and cofounder of the award-winning Seattle newsletter The Evergrey. She was a 2019 fellow at the Henry M. Jackson Foundation and a 2016 fellow at the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard University. She served twice as a juror for the Pulitzer Prize. A Mexican immigrant, Latina, and dual US/Mexico citizen, and is the author of I Never Thought of It That Way: How To Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times.

https://braverangels.org/

https://www.moniguzman.com/

https://www.moniguzman.com/book

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ICYMI... Let's talk about the words, actions and character of Donald J. Trump in light of what the Bible says about virtue and vice. But instead of starting with our political preferences and prejudices and THEN backing shards of Scripture into what we want, what if we started with what the Bible actually says FIRST? Then we can more earnestly reckon with the implications of what we're dealing with today.

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Here are a few of the Scriptural references that came up:

• Exodus 20: "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."
• 2 Kings 3: "(Jehoram) did evil in the sight of the Lord."
• Proverbs 6: "There are six things that the Lord hates, Seven that are an abomination to Him..."
• Proverbs 10: "Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool..."
• John 2: "(Jesus) said, 'Take these things away from here; stop making My Father’s house a place of business!'”

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ICYMI... What does it mean to be a conservative? What about being a Christian? What does that mean in terms of how one would understand and uphold virtue vs vice? And if I am truly a conservative and a Christian, can I then support Donald Trump?

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In this edition, we explore the nuances of conservative values and Christian beliefs amidst our politically charged environment. To get clarity on what it means to be a conservative and a Christian, it requires NOT surrendering to the extremists who monopolize conversations around politics and religion. Our discussion dives into the foundational principles of conservatism, such as:

• Individual Freedom,
• Limited Government,
• Rule of Law,
• Peace through Strength,
• Fiscal Responsibility,
• Free Markets,
• and *Human Dignity,

...contrasting these with the divisive and aggressive tactics often employed in Trump-era politics. Contrary to what passes for “conservative” in today’s political and media landscape, we’ll look at the way true conservatism respects the U.S. Constitution and promotes a healthy, engaged citizenry, devoid of blanket vilification via broad generalizations and dehumanization. We’ll also give a sneak peak into Part II of this discussion on Christian values, specifically targeting the misalignment of Trump's actions with biblical teachings. So, yeah, this one might tweak some beaks!

02:49 The Impact of Extremism on Public Discourse;

13:40 Exploring the True Meaning of Conservatism;

14:16 Principles of Conservatism vs. Trumpism;

27:29 The Importance of Human Dignity in Conservatism;

34:35 Teaser for the Next Episode: Christianity vs Trumpism

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Had to share this one again partly because Fred's beloved Florida Panthers are Stanley Cup Champs! (The same Florida Panthers who beat Corey's favorite team, the New York Rangers, in the Eastern Conference Final.) But this wasn't just a conversation that brought rivals across hockey loyalties together; it brought together "Two Dads Defending Democracy," Fred Guttenberg and Joe Walsh, who are helping to bridge the gap during divisive times...

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Fred Guttenberg became a nationally known activist on gun safety after his daughter Jaime was tragically murdered in the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida. Former Congressman Joe Walsh has been a self-described "rabid gun rights advocate." So how did these two guys go from being on completely different sides of such a heated issue to becoming dear friends who are now collaborating on a national tour called TWO DADS DEFENDING DEMOCRACY?

In this special coming together, we explore Fred and Joe's evolution from adversaries to collaborators through their unique friendship. Initially at odds due to their differing views on gun control, they discovered a shared commitment to democracy and engaging in respectful dialogue across political and ideological divides. They speak about their collaborative initiative, "Two Dads Defending Democracy," aimed at encouraging Americans to participate in the democratic process, highlight the importance of conversations across differences, and reflect on personal stories that underscore their transformation. We talk about a number of ways they're both trying to make a positive difference including Fred's non-profit Orange Ribbons for Jaime, Joe's continued contributions on White Flag with Joe Walsh, and their appearances together demonstrating that instead of remaining enemies over any given issue, even those we're most passionate about, mutual respect wins every time.

00:42 Getting to Know Joe Walsh: From Congress to Gun Rights Advocate;

02:24 Fred Guttenberg's Journey: From Tragedy to Advocacy;

03:44 Bridging Divides: A Story of Friendship and Understanding;

07:39 Real Talk about Gun Safety;

13:20 The Power of Dialogue: Moving Beyond Polarization;

14:57 A Deep Dive into the Second Amendment and Gun Safety;

20:33 Finding Common Ground: The Path to Reducing Gun Violence;

30:58 Exploring Red Flag Laws: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly;

33:41 The Impact of 'White Flag' on Activism and Public Policy;

35:09 America's Shift in Gun Culture and the NRA's Influence;

42:31 More Bridging Divides: Two Dads Defending Democracy;

50:44 Engaging Across Differences: Strategies for Democracy;

52:41 Closing Thoughts: Hope, Engagement, and the American Experiment

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fredguttenberg.com

orangeribbonsforjaime.org/

twitter.com/WalshFreedom

White Flag with Joe Walsh: pod.link/1590913798

www.udel.edu/udaily/2024/january/joe-walsh-fred-guttenberg-snf-ithaca-initiative-democracy-speaking-tour/

joewalshwhiteflag@gmail.com

"Disinformation. Spam and Scams. Trolls." For those of us paying attention, one thing is clear: We got problems! Fortunately, Renée DiResta is helping with exactly that by studying online manipulation, and what we can do about it. And yeah, we get quite a primer on the concept of "bespoke realities."

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Renée DiResta is the Technical Research Manager at Stanford Internet Observatory. In this conversation we delve into the challenges of misinformation, online manipulation, and the impact of algorithmic curation on public discourse. Renée discusses her career journey, her work on election integrity, and the concept of "bespoke realities." The episode explores how media ecosystems shape our perception and the importance of fostering meaningful dialogue across differing viewpoints.

02:56 Renée DiResta's Background and Career Journey

06:35 The Birth of Vaccinate California

07:22 Facing Harassment and Public Backlash

16:01 Understanding Bespoke Realities

17:44 The Influencer-Algorithm-Crowd Trinity

27:17 The Role of Free Expression in Social Media

29:50 The Complexity of Free Expression and Moderation

31:10 Platform Policies and Government Regulation

32:23 Engaging with Conspiracy Theorists

33:48 Understanding Algorithmic Curation

34:38 Reflecting on January 6th and Political Polarization

39:51 Election Integrity Partnership: An Inside Look

46:22 Recognizing and Combating Propaganda

50:37 Concerns About a Second Trump Term

53:20 Fostering Better Conversations Across Differences

57:08 Engaging on Social Media: Strategies and Reflections

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Who's doing the canceling now? The leader doth protest too much... (the leaders of Presbyterian Church in America, that is.)

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In this edition, we take a look at a very public controversy surrounding the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) and David French. We'll highlight a significant dispute within the PCA, where a planned panel on dealing with polarization was cancelled due to the inclusion of French. We explore articles and commentary (quoting extensively from a number of pieces), especially focusing on PCA Elder Ben Dunson's misleading attacks against French's views. In this inquiry, the mischaracterizations and false witness borne by Dunson get proper scrutiny so we can contextualize David (and Nancy) French's positions. The episode also explores broader implications of such church conflicts, stressing the importance of honesty, intellectual rigor, and faithfulness to Scripture.

01:38 Today's Topic: The David French PCA Controversy

02:17 Background on David French and the PCA

03:42 Criticism and Mischaracterization of David French

12:31 David French's Actual Stance on Drag Queen Story Hour

17:47 David French's Actual Views on Same-Sex Marriage

20:05 David French's Actual Position on Legislation Involving Transgender Youth

27:23 Addressing Personal Attacks on David and Nancy French

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https://julieroys.com/pca-cancels-anti-polarization-panel-david-french-being-too-polarizing/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/09/opinion/presbyterian-church-evangelical-canceled.html

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-political-scene/david-french-sohrab-ahmari-and-the-battle-for-the-future-of-conservatism?_sp=9d3e8c33-72cc-4872-b332-e14d92b13983.1718748473071

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/11/respect-for-marriage-same-sex-religious-freedom/676545/

https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/frenchpress/when-culture-wars-go-way-too-far/

https://www.deseret.com/politics/2024/04/16/nancy-french-ghosted-book-cancer-david-french/

https://americanreformer.org/2024/05/david-french-and-the-pcas-general-assembly/