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Scott interviews author and scholar Robert Pape about the insights he’s gained from his decades of extensive research into the strategic effectiveness of air power in war. Pape argues that, while modern precision bombs are remarkable at carrying out their tactical functions, they alone are not enough to win wars. And further, the obsession with tactical bombing campaigns can distract decision-makers from the political dynamics that primarily determine how wars end.

Discussed on the show:

• Bombing to Win: Air Power and Coercion in War by Robert A. Pape
• The Escalation Trap

Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science and Director of the University of Chicago Project on Security and Threats and the author of Bombing to Win: Air Power and Coercion in War. Follow him on Twitter @ProfessorPape

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Enough Already: Time to End the War on Terrorism: https://amzn.to/3tgMCdw

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Scott interviews Matthew Hoh about an article he just wrote debunking the old lie, that is being pushed once again, that the Iranian government helped kill hundreds of American soldiers by supplying critical parts for armor-piercing roadside IEDs. He and Scott also discuss how insane Trump’s decision to attack Iran is.

Discussed on the show:

• “They Are Still Lying About Iraq” (Antiwar.com)
• The Occupation: War and Resistance in Iraq by Patrick Cockburn
• “Iraq War II, Part 10: Soda Straws and EFPs” (Substack)

Matthew Hoh is associate director at the Eisenhower Media Network and formerly worked for the U.S. State Department. Hoh received the Ridenhour Prize Recipient for Truth Telling in 2010. Subscribe to his Substack and follow him on Twitter @MatthewPHoh

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War rarely begins with a single decision; it grows from motives, misreads, and momentum. We sit down with Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson to map how a promised era of “no new wars” gave way to a high-stakes confrontation with Iran that could redraw the strategic landscape. He unpacks an unsettling mix of incentives—profit for well-connected investors, donor appeasement, and domestic distraction—that, layered atop alliance politics with Israel, pushed Washington onto an escalation ladder with few exit ramps.

We walk through the hard realities of deterrence, from Netanyahu’s saber-rattling and nuclear ambiguity to the very real prospect of great-power entanglement. If a nuclear-armed state strikes a non-nuclear Iran, global norms shatter and condemnation surges, while Russia and China, already tightening ties to Tehran, weigh their leverage. Wilkerson explains why even “limited” nuclear use becomes a civilization-scale risk once the United States, Russia, and China—each with thousands of advanced warheads—are forced into a confrontational posture. That alone should demand humility and restraint.

Beyond headlines about missiles and speeches, the logistics are grim. Iran’s layered strategy of cheap drones and rockets is designed to drain expensive Patriot and naval interceptors, opening windows for heavier strikes. Maritime chokepoints—Hormuz and Bab el-Mandeb—become economic pressure valves, where selective disruption could upend oil flows, food shipments, and global trade. Quiet diesel-electric submarines operating in the acoustically favorable North Arabian Sea complicate any escort mission and raise the chance of a sudden, costly loss. And talk of U.S. ground forces? A recipe for a grinding, urban-and-mountain war that repeats the most painful lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan.

We close on the long tail: how mass casualties, perceived impunity, and widening fronts unify otherwise divided communities, supercharge extremist recruitment, and tempt desperate states toward nuclear proliferation. Power isn’t just force; it’s legitimacy, alliances, and foresight. If we want stability, we have to rebuild credibility with clear aims, disciplined strategy, and diplomacy that matches the stakes. If this conversation moved you, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review with your biggest question about de-escalation—we’ll tackle it in a future show.

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Daniel Davis joined the show for a quick rundown on the war Trump just launched on Iran. He and Scott talk about what’s happened so far and where things may go from here.

Discussed on the show:

• Daniel Davis / Deep Dive

Daniel Davis did multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan during his time in the army. He is a Senior Fellow at Defense Priorities and is the author of the reports “Dereliction of Duty II: Senior Military Leaders’ Loss of Integrity Wounds Afghan War Effort” and “Go Big or Go Deep: An Analysis of Strategy Options on Afghanistan.” Find him on Twitter @DanielLDavis1and subscribe to his YouTube Channel.

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Scott interviews Andy Schoonover, the CEO of CrowdHealth, about the business he started to offer an alternative to our terrible government-warped healthcare market.

Discussed on the show:

• CrowdHealth
• “Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us” (Time Magazine)

Andy Schoonover is the Founder and CEO of CrowdHealth.

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John and I continue reading and commentary on the old revolutionary text, Rule for Radicals.

I am back from moving and health setbacks.

With Western conflict in Iran escalating and in train, I discuss the vagaries and verities of the nuclear gambit in Iran in the Middle East and what this will mean to the future of warfare for the reminder of this century.

I assess how the RMAs rapidly displacing centuries-old conflict norms are going to look for the remainder of the century.

Buppert’s Law of Military Topography:

“Mountainous terrain held by riflemen who know what they are about cannot be militarily defeated.”

For other insight on Iran, I recommend CG episodes 061 and 067.

References:

Points of Resistance and Departure: An interview with James C. Scott

Lester Grau and Charles J. Bartles Mountain Warfare and Other Lofty Problems: Foreign mountain combat veterans discuss movement and maneuver, training and resupply (Helion Studies in Military History)

Lester Grau The Bear Went Over The Mountain: Soviet Combat Tactics In Afghanistan [Illustrated Edition]

Lester Grau The Other Side of the Mountain: Mujahideen Tactics in the Soviet-Afghan War

Mark Thompson The White War: Life and Death on the Italian Front 1915-1919

James C. Scott The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History of Upland Southeast Asia

Sun Tzu The Art of War

Carl von Clausewitz On War

Miyamoto Musashi A Book of Five Rings: The Classic Guide to Strategy

H. John Poole The Last Hundred Yards: The NCO’s Contribution to Warfare

Christian Brose The Kill Chain: Defending America in the Future of High-Tech Warfare

Qiao Liang & Wang Xiangsui Unrestricted Warfare: China’s Master Plan to Destroy America

My Substack:

https://t.co/7a8jn2Mmnx

Email at cgpodcast@pm.me.

Sirens don’t always sound before a war—sometimes the warning is a bland memo telling diplomats to pack. We open with the U.S. pullback of non‑emergency staff from Israel and track how similar moves in Lebanon and likely elsewhere signal more than routine caution. From there, we map the fault lines in the Iran talks: Oman’s shuttle diplomacy, Tehran’s offer to dilute 60 percent uranium in exchange for real sanctions relief, and Washington’s push for a forever framework with stockpile transfer. When “progress” headlines collide with uncompromising demands, the math points one direction—toward force.

We challenge the claim that Iran “won’t say no nukes” by pulling the public statements and the religious decree that prohibit nuclear weapons, then set that against the hard lesson of deterrence from Iraq, Libya, and nuclear‑armed North Korea. Add in a persistent myth about EFPs in Iraq being “made in Iran,” and you get a narrative built to justify strikes rather than to solve a problem. We explain how these talking points, repeated often, become premises for action, and why a strike would likely trigger missile salvos that overwhelm defenses, hit U.S. positions, and drag Israel into a wider fight.

Power without process is a theme throughout. We press the missing question to the presidency: where is the congressional authorization for a new Middle East war? A real vote could slow or stop escalation, yet media and political opponents remain quiet. The show widens to Cuba, where intensified sanctions aim to force internal change, and to the AI front, where the U.S. moved to cancel contracts with Anthropic after the company resisted military targeting and mass surveillance uses. That confrontation reveals how quickly advanced tech can be bent to state aims when guardrails are treated as disobedience.