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Joe Kent, Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, has resigned in protest over the Iran war, becoming the first senior official to break ranks. In his resignation, Kent stated bluntly that Iran posed no “imminent threat” to the United States — directly contradicting the administration’s justification for military action.

A resignation letter from inside Trump’s national security world drops a bombshell claim: Iran posed no imminent threat, and the rush into war was fueled by pressure from Israel and a powerful pro-war lobby in the United States. We take the letter seriously, line by line, because it puts the core question on the table that Washington tries to dodge, who is steering US foreign policy when the stakes are life, death, and a wider Middle East war.

We also talk about the blowback. Tulsi Gabbard posts support for the war, even though opposing “forever wars” has been central to her political identity, and we unpack what that says about loyalty, ambition, and the limits of dissent inside an administration. Then we address Trump’s response, including his claims about the Iran nuclear deal and why so many experts argue the 2015 agreement imposed real constraints through inspections and verification. If you care about Iran nuclear weapons, sanctions relief, and the actual mechanics of nuclear diplomacy, this part matters.

Finally, we break down the media messaging war, including Ben Shapiro’s reaction, and why dismissing everything as “conspiracy” is not a substitute for evidence. We zoom out to the bigger picture: congressional war powers, misinformation campaigns, and the dangerous lesson wars can teach targeted states, that only a nuclear deterrent prevents regime change. Subscribe, share, and leave a review, then tell us what you think: who is really driving this war, and what would ending it require?

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Scott brings Larry Johnson back on the show three weeks after his last appearance, where Johnson predicted the war with Iran hours before it kicked off. Scott and Johnson examine what’s happened, dig into who’s really calling the shots here, address some of the nonsensical talking points used to make the Iranians out as a unique evil and anticipate what the global consequences of this war will be.

Discussed on the show:

• “​​The Failure of US and Israeli Air Defense” (Sonar21)

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Scott interviews Joe Kent, the former director of the US National Counterterrorism Center, about what drove him to resign. Kent explains how he saw the Israelis mislead Trump about an Iranian nuclear threat and the supposed fragility of the regime. He also backs up some of the widely attacked claims in his resignation letter about Israeli involvement in getting the US into previous wars in the region, reflects on what the real goals of the Israeli government are with this war, sheds light on Scott’s concerns about significant blowback terrorism in the US and more.

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• Kent’s letter of resignation

Joe Kent is a retired Army Special Forces soldier who served as the director of the National Counterterrorism Center in Trump’s second term until he resigned in 2026 over the war with Iran. Follow him on Twitter @joekent16jan19

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The Strait of Hormuz is the kind of geopolitical pressure point that can turn a regional fight into a worldwide economic shock, and the official story coming out of Washington doesn’t always match what markets and missiles are signaling. We sit down with Larry Johnson to cut through the talking points and ask what’s actually happening as Iran keeps leverage in the Persian Gulf, shipping risk climbs, and allies get pulled into a conflict they didn’t choose.

We also dig into the battle over the narrative at home. From Tucker Carlson’s claim that the CIA is pursuing a criminal referral over contacts with Iranians, to Trump’s own comments about charging journalists, we talk plainly about free speech, press freedom, and how fear-based messaging can be used to sell escalation. Larry explains what the CIA is supposed to do, what belongs with the FBI, and why intelligence warnings don’t help if leaders refuse to hear them.

Then we zoom out to consequences: oil prices, LNG flows, supply chain disruption, and the fertilizer crunch that can become a food problem months from now. We walk through the escalation ladder too, including talk of Karg Island, the practical barriers to a ground invasion, and the unsettling question of nuclear risk if decision-makers corner themselves.

Air defense looks clean on a diagram. In real war, it is messy, conditional, and expensive in ways most people never see until the alarms are late and the interceptors are flying in bunches. We sit down with Daryl Cooper to translate the jargon and show what “layered missile defense” actually means when Iranian ballistic missiles, drones, and cruise missile threats pressure the system day after day.

We walk through the U.S. missile defense stack in plain English: Aegis on ships, THAAD and Patriot batteries on land, the radar and satellite cueing that stitches everything into one shared track picture, and the uncomfortable truth that each layer covers the weaknesses of the others. We also get into why radar performance depends on physics and conditions, including clutter, sunrise effects, and smoke, and how losing early warning sensors can collapse warning time from minutes to seconds. That shift forces engagements into late mid-course or terminal phase, where hit probabilities drop and the price of staying safe becomes volleys of interceptors per incoming missile.

Then we zoom out to the strategy and politics shaping the Iran Israel conflict and the wider Middle East war. We talk saturation tactics, multiple re-entry vehicles, engagement queue limits, and the core economic imbalance where defense often costs far more than offense. Finally, we tackle U.S. foreign policy fallout through the Tomahawk missile controversy and what happens when leaders deny what the weapons, timelines, and target decks can confirm.

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They’re dragging a disproved Iraq War storyline out of storage to sell a new war with Iran, and it matters because it’s the kind of myth that can get people killed. We sit down with Captain Matt Ho to dissect the EFP hoax: what explosively formed penetrators were, how they were used in Iraq, and how the claim of Iranian direction or supply turned into a convenient political talking point. We also name the bigger pattern: when leaders need a clean villain, they rewrite messy history into a simple slogan.

From there, we get into the competence problem driving today’s Iran war narrative. Trump points to advice from Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff, and we explore what happens when personal loyalty replaces subject-matter expertise, especially around Iran’s nuclear program. Mixed messages about goals like regime change, “unconditional surrender,” or vague “imminent threats” aren’t just sloppy, they’re dangerous, because they blur the line between deterrence and escalation.

We also zoom out to the strategic fallout: US military readiness, munitions constraints, and the real-world risk of energy shock tied to the Strait of Hormuz. Add in Lindsey Graham pressuring allies and the growing influence of religious nationalism, including Christian nationalism inside parts of the US military, and you get a conflict that can expand fast while staying politically incoherent. If you care about foreign policy, the Iraq War legacy, Iran war analysis, and the future of the US empire, this conversation is for you.

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I’ll discuss Iran and the grunt math of salvo competition.

Buppert’s Law of Military Topography:

“Mountainous terrain held by riflemen who know what they are about cannot be militarily defeated.”

For other insight on Iran, I recommend CG episodes 061 , 067 and 078.

References:

The Boogeyman of 21st-Century Warfare: Drones

Why the US is facing strategic defeat

Points of Resistance and Departure: An interview with James C. Scott

Lester Grau and Charles J. Bartles Mountain Warfare and Other Lofty Problems: Foreign mountain combat veterans discuss movement and maneuver, training and resupply (Helion Studies in Military History)

Lester Grau The Bear Went Over The Mountain: Soviet Combat Tactics In Afghanistan [Illustrated Edition]

Lester Grau The Other Side of the Mountain: Mujahideen Tactics in the Soviet-Afghan War

Mark Thompson The White War: Life and Death on the Italian Front 1915-1919

James C. Scott The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History of Upland Southeast Asia

Sun Tzu The Art of War

Carl von Clausewitz On War

Miyamoto Musashi A Book of Five Rings: The Classic Guide to Strategy

H. John Poole The Last Hundred Yards: The NCO’s Contribution to Warfare

Christian Brose The Kill Chain: Defending America in the Future of High-Tech Warfare

Qiao Liang & Wang Xiangsui Unrestricted Warfare: China’s Master Plan to Destroy America

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