Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss a controversial Reuters article revealing a Pentagon-led secret anti-vax campaign aimed at discrediting China's Sinovac vaccine. They delve into the ethical implications and consequences of this campaign, highlighting the impact on public trust in vaccines.

The hosts also address recent COVID-19 trends, vaccination debates, and the importance of maintaining routine childhood immunizations amidst the pandemic.

1. Reuters Article: Pentagon Ran Secret Anti Vax Campaign to Undermine China During the Pandemic

2. CDC COVID-19 Data Tracker

3. American Academy of Pediatrics: COVID-19 Vaccine Recommendations

4. WHO: Measles

5. CDC: Polio Vaccine Information

6. American Academy of Pediatrics: Routine Childhood Vaccinations

7. NIH: COVID-19 Vaccines and Natural Immunity

8. Johns Hopkins Medicine: COVID-19 and Children

9. Harvard Medical School: Vaccines and Immunizations

10. UK Health Security Agency: Measles and Pertussis Outbreaks

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Jonathan Howard's latest podcast episode revisits the early COVID-19 predictions of Dr. John Ioannidis, a prominent figure known for his controversial stance on herd immunity and the pandemic's severity. Howard plays clips from Ioannidis' interviews and writings, highlighting significant discrepancies between his optimistic projections and the actual outcomes of the pandemic. The episode also addresses Ioannidis' views on vaccine side effects, contrasting them with the broader scientific consensus. Howard provides a thorough fact-check, drawing from various sources to debunk misleading claims and emphasize the importance of evidence-based approaches to public health.

• Dr. John Ioannidis' interview on "Perspectives on the Pandemic" (April 17, 2020)
• "A Fiasco in the Making: As the Coronavirus Pandemic Takes Hold, We Are Making Decisions Without Reliable Data" by Dr. John Ioannidis (Stat News, March 17, 2020)
• "Coronavirus Disease 2019: The Harms of Exaggerated Information and Non-Evidence-Based Measures" by Dr. John Ioannidis (March 19, 2020)
• "COVID Cases Up 250% in Two Months: This Variant Is Harder to Duck" (The Gothamist, July 4, 2024)
• "COVID Levels in Bay Area Wastewater Now as High as Winter Peak" (Bay Area News, July 2024)
• "More ER Patients in Florida Test Positive for COVID: The Surge Is Different This Time" (Florida Health News, July 2024)
• NIH Study: "Reinfections from the Virus that Causes COVID-19 Likely Have Similar Severity as the Original Infection" (July 11, 2024)
• "COVID Vax Not Linked to Sudden Deaths in Young Adults" (MedPage Today, 2024)
• "Hundreds of Young Americans Have Now Been Killed by the Coronavirus Data Shows" (Washington Post, April 8, 2020)
• Dr. Ioannidis' statements in various interviews and articles (April 2020 - June 2020)

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Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critically examine the Great Barrington Declaration, a controversial document that proposed achieving herd immunity by allowing COVID-19 to spread among low-risk populations. They explore the impracticalities and dangers of this plan, the public's rejection of it, and the declaration's failure to protect vulnerable individuals. The discussion highlights the unrealistic expectations of the declaration's authors and the real-world consequences of their recommendations. This episode underscores the importance of practical, evidence-based public health strategies.

• The Great Barrington Declaration - Original document outlining the plan for achieving herd immunity through natural infection.
• Medscape Article on Biden's Cognitive State - A piece discussing the speculation about President Biden's cognitive state during the pandemic.
• Science-Based Medicine Articles - Analysis and critiques of the Great Barrington Declaration and its premises.
• House Report: The Atlas Dogma - A detailed examination of Dr. Scott Atlas's influence on the Trump administration's COVID-19 policies.
• Changing Age Distribution of the COVID-19 Pandemic - Study highlighting the spread of COVID-19 among different age groups and its implications.
• Kit Yates' Modeling Study - A study identifying the flaws in shielding strategies like the Great Barrington Declaration's focused protection.
• Voices for Vaccines - Noah Louis Ferdinand's series on the shortcomings of focus protection strategies.
• Newsweek Article: How Fauci Fooled America - An article representing the Great Barrington Declaration authors' criticism of Dr. Anthony Fauci.
• Florida Delta Wave Reports - News articles discussing the impact of the Delta wave in Florida, including school closures and record deaths.
• CDC Guidelines and Recommendations - Official guidelines on COVID-19 prevention and vaccination strategies.

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Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critically examine the premature declarations of herd immunity made by various doctors during the COVID-19 pandemic. They revisit statements by Dr. Marty McCary, Dr. Monica Gandhi, Dr. Lucy McBride, and others who incorrectly claimed that the pandemic was nearly over, even as new variants like Delta and Omicron emerged. The hosts discuss the impact of these false claims on public health and trust in medical professionals, emphasizing the need for accurate information and responsible communication. They explore how these declarations contributed to complacency and undermined efforts to control the virus. The episode underscores the importance of accountability and the role of hindsight in evaluating past public health strategies.

1. Great Barrington Declaration

2. Articles by Dr. Marty McCary:

   • "Natural immunity to COVID is powerful. Policymakers seem afraid to say so."

   • "We'll have herd immunity by April."

   • "Risk of COVID is now very low. It's time to stop living in fear."

   • "The Power of Natural Immunity"

3. Articles by Dr. Monica Gandhi:

   • "Stop panicking about COVID-19 variants"

   • "The reassuring data on the Delta variant"

   • "The cautious case for COVID optimism"

4. Article by Dr. Lucy McBride:

   • "I've been yearning for an end of the pandemic. Now that it's here, I'm a little afraid."

5. Dr. John Mandrola's tweets and articles on the end of the pandemic

6. Scott Atlas's articles:

   • "Reentry After the Panic, Paying the Health Price of Extreme Isolation"

   • "The Data Is In, Stop the Panic and End the Total Isolation"

7. Urgency of Normal initiative

8. Vinay Prasad's tweets and articles on the end of the pandemic

9. Videos and interviews from various media outlets featuring the mentioned doctors

10. Twitter feeds and public statements of the discussed doctors for further context.

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This episode of "We Want Them Infected" explores the early pandemic predictions made by Dr. John Ioannidis and the subsequent misinformation that spread from credible academic sources to conspiracy theorists and political figures. Hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orant analyze Ioannidis's claims, such as the prediction that only 40,000 Americans would die from COVID-19 and the assertion that most deaths were not directly caused by the virus. They also discuss the impact of these predictions on public perception and policy. The episode includes an open invitation for doctors criticized on the podcast to join for a civil and evidence-based debate, highlighting the importance of accurate information and scientific integrity.

1. Stat News Article by Dr. John Ioannidis: "A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data" - March 17, 2020.

2. BMJ Article by Dr. Ioannidis: "Coronavirus 2019: the harms of exaggerated information and non-evidence-based measures" - March 19, 2020.

3. Science-Based Medicine Blog: Articles by Jonathan Howard critiquing pandemic misinformation.

4. Fareed Zakaria Interview with Dr. Ioannidis: "Why the coronavirus models aren’t totally accurate" - April 9, 2020.

5. Neil Ferguson's COVID-19 Model: Early pandemic predictions and their context.

6. Fox News Segment: Mark Levin's introduction of Dr. Ioannidis and the subsequent interview.

7. CDC Report: COVID-19 deaths and comorbidities.

8. QAnon Social Media: Misinformation posts regarding COVID-19 death statistics.

9. President Trump's Retweets: Amplification of COVID-19 misinformation.

10. Santa Clara Antibody Study: Analysis and critiques of the study's findings.

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Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent focus on the escalating hostility towards Dr. Anthony Fauci, spurred by political rhetoric and the divisive stances of certain doctors advocating for herd immunity. They explore the history of Fauci's comments on masks, the critiques from the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, and the broader implications of these conflicts for public health. The episode also touches on the parallels drawn between current public health debates and historical examples of persecuted scientists, emphasizing the detrimental impact of misinformation and personal attacks on public health efforts.

1. Great Barrington Declaration - Website

2. Newsweek Articles - Various critical op-eds on Dr. Fauci by Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya

3. Science-Based Medicine - "The Road to Hitler is Paved with Masks and Vaccines" by Jonathan Howard

4. Wikipedia - Information on Dr. Anthony Fauci and the Great Barrington Declaration

5. Reason Magazine - Video titled "Stop Trusting Public Health" featuring Vinay Prasad

6. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) - COVID-19 Information

7. National Institutes of Health (NIH) - Profile of Dr. Anthony Fauci

8. Twitter - Official profiles of Dr. Martin Kulldorff, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and Dr. Vinay Prasad

9. Books - "The Great Influenza" by John M. Barry, for historical context on pandemics and public health

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Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the pro-infection movement that supports infecting unvaccinated children to achieve herd immunity. They discuss the recent conviction of Trump and the public's reaction, highlighting the parallels between political and medical misinformation.

The episode critically examines statements made by figures like Dr. Scott Atlas and Dr. Vinay Prasad, pointing out their inconsistencies and the potential harm of their advocacy. The hosts stress the importance of relying on scientific evidence and the dangers posed by spreading misleading information.

1. CDC COVID-19 Information: CDC

2. World Health Organization (WHO) COVID-19 Updates: WHO

3. Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 Tracker: Johns Hopkins

4. Science-Based Medicine Articles: Science-Based Medicine

5. FDA COVID-19 Vaccine Information: FDA

6. Dr. Scott Atlas Interview with Tucker Carlson: Tucker Carlson Interview

7. Vinay Prasad's Articles on COVID-19: Vinay Prasad

8. ZDoggMD YouTube Channel: ZDoggMD

9. Dr. John Ioannidis's Research: John Ioannidis

10. National Institute of Health (NIH) COVID-19 Resources: NIH

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