Sean Kelly is a longtime musician and the author of Don't Call It Hair Metal: Art in the Excess of '80s Rock (ECW Press, 2023). He joins me to talk about why people dismiss hair metal, Sean's "duality of mind" regarding problematic lyrics, Brian Vollmer of Helix, our shared love of Sammy Hagar-era Van Halen, metal's prejudice against keyboards, the lines between musical taste, identity and insecurity, and a whole bunch of 80s rock talk.

Check out Sean's Spotify playlist documenting the history of hair metal, one song per year from 1978-1991.

Psychologist, professor, writer, and metalhead Steve Byrne joins me for a big discussion about the psychology of extreme music fandom. We get into the weeds on how heavy music serves unmet needs, the distinctions (and similarities) between metal and punk, oppositional defiant disorder, musical and psychological dynamics, gatekeeping in extreme music communities, and more.

Read Steve's blog Metal Health Matters and his article on gatekeeping in metal for Loudwire.

Tracey Lindeman is a journalist and the author of BLEED: Destroying Myths and Misogyny in Endometriosis Care (ECW Press, 2023). She joins me to discuss discovering punk rock through the book Please Kill Me, why people hate ska, machismo in punk, the value of anger, and more.

Photo: Benjamin Cruz

Spotify playlist of Tracey's chapter titles: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6IyjdJidJScKFBMaCCr7pL?si=0184c9184c39497e

Playlist inspired by BLEED: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7FwoZa0hegizExjnDIKrC4?si=1ae0f5eb5f2a442e