TLDL: 41:07-42:00 Don't miss this part!!!

The words God and Jesus used to trigger me so much that I would probably not have given this episode a second glance. If that's you too, listen! I've never met a clergy person quite like the Methodist Reverend, Lisa Beth Ackerman. She's a mother, a divorcee, a medical biller, a book collector, and carries a degree called a Master of Divinity! There is healing in her words, acceptance in her practice, and joy in her heart. Rev. Lisa Beth has faced so much adversity within her career as a pastor and in her two completed marriages (one who is a fundamentalist follower of Bill Gothard, or at least acts like it), yet she feels so safe and strong to be around. I doubt I will ever go to Christian church again, but if I did, it would be hers. I mean there was even thunder clapping while we were recording AND while I was editing! Wow!

Intro & Outro Music by Brandon Townsend

References made:

Mary Oliver's famous quote: “Someone I loved once gave me a box full of darkness. It took me years to understand that this, too, was a gift.”

Douglas Asbury, my former pastor from childhood - I mentioned him in the show and looked him up. https://roadtripnation.shareyourroad.com/profile/e2a33d6e/

Shiny Happy People Docuseries: https://www.amazon.com/Shiny-Happy-People-Duggar-Secrets/dp/B0B8TR2QV5

*it was really hard for me to watch this. I did find it important. It's just so incredible and terrible the way people use religion to control.

More about the Pharisees and Sadducees: https://www.angel.com/blog/the-chosen/posts/who-were-the-pharisees

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