Episode Description This special episode highlights the 2023 Robert S. Hartman Institute's Wisdom Council Panel discussion, featuring three legends of the field in Art Ellis, Ph.D., Steve Byrum, Ph.D., and Mark Moore,Ph.D. This podcast also includes clips from my short interviews with many conference participants. In this episode: [00:00:01] Suzie Price: Today is a special episode. It is recording from the 2023 Robert S Hartman Institute conference was held in Atlanta, and it is a panel discussion with three legends. They are Hartman legends, they are Professor Legends. They are author legends, they are financial asset manager legends that all have the same thing in common is that we're students or colleagues with Robert S Hartman, who is the founder of one of the sciences in the assessment tools that we use. And it's a great discussion. You're going to learn a lot more about how to make better decisions. You're going to learn more about measuring your progress and being who you can be, how you use assessments, how you help other people make better decisions. You're going to learn from other consultants. Because I have short interviews with ten different conference attendees finding out more about them, how they use these tools in their work, why they use these tools. So if you are interested in any of that, you're going to enjoy this conversation. It's a very rich conversation. It's a very meaningful conversation. It's going to help you understand axiology and TriMetrix better. It will help you understand yourself better. Just lots of great insight here and I'm very excited to share it with you. We had people from around the world and all over the United States. You know, it's not always easy for everyone to participate because of the travel. We've had virtual conferences where we've had much more than that at the conference, but it was great to have 50 or so people there, all of us calling ourselves heart maniacs. And basically what that is, is people who value and appreciate the work of Robert Hartman. And many of those people are consultants who use the tools like TriMetrix that we use, or they go by other names. There's other tools that use the same science. And this tool is the under the hood horsepower tool that we use in TriMetrix called acumen. The panelists are three of Hartman's colleagues and students, and I'm the moderator. The three voices that you'll hear. One is Art Ellis, Steve Byrum, and Mark Moore. They're all PhDs, and I'm going to share their complete bios with you. And when you hear them, you're going to say, wow, they really are legends. She was not overstating that. And then as I mentioned, we have these impromptu interviews with ten attendees, and they're talking about why they came to the conference, how they use Hartman's work, how that work has helped them personally and professionally. And what we did is we're inserting the clips of those conversations throughout the panel discussion. Mark Moore: Well, I'm like everyone else. I'm no good at predicting the future, and I wouldn't pretend to do so. And and as you know, I don't think the future can be predicted anyway. However, however, we can prepare for a better future, and the way we do that is through, I think, understanding people like Robert Hartman. I go back to this as I think about the world, something I'll go back to time and time again. And I've even coined a little expression for it, uh, distributive justice, which is something axiology is wonderfully adept at talking about distributive justice, which means bringing the best justice you can for all peoples is not a zero sum game. In other words, you don't get distributive justice by taking from one group to give to another. Steve Byrum: I think it's very interesting that we can't predict the future, but I would claim that Hartman was pretty prophetic about some of these things we're talking about right now, the title of this small book that we should be so proud to have in our possession, and we should make sure it gets in the hands of as many people as we can. The Revolution Against War is a kind of an ironic title in a way, because most of the writing that was done in that book was done after World War Two. When we felt like that, we had finally learned the lesson of where wars could take us. And for Hartman then to write a [00:20:00] revolution against war in the aftermath of of all the enthusiasm of this war coming to an end again may seem a little bit ironic, but I believe what Hartman understood was that the conditions that have maybe always led to war, but certainly had led to the Second World War were still there, and that the conditions may, in fact, have been there in the late 40s and early 50s in ways that were maybe more abundant than even in the times that Mark's talking about. And obviously what Hartman was talking about and what scared him passionately was the way that technology had exploded in scientific culture and given us a nuclear, ...
