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The Long and The Short Of It

The Long and The Short Of It

By: Peter Shepherd & Jen Waldman
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A weekly podcast for curious people ready to explore the art and science of being human from every possible angle: macro, micro, Australian, American, tall, short and everything in between.2018 The Long and The Short Of It Art Economics Entertainment & Performing Arts Management Management & Leadership Personal Development Personal Success
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  • 395. Trojan Horsing
    Apr 21 2026

    This week, Pete brings a Trojan Horse to Jen, and sneaks in ideas around leadership, empathy, curiosity, and humility along the way.

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • How might we utilize the idea of a Trojan Horse in leadership and coaching?
    • How might we set up our teams to feel they can fully contribute?
    • When might we Trojan Horse something, versus being more straightforward and clear?
    • What are some examples of where Trojan Horses show up in the corporate and theatrical realms?

    To hear all episodes and read full transcripts, visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box O’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos, and other interesting things that Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com. Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

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    17 mins
  • 394. Sports Teams
    Apr 14 2026

    The question of how we might utilize sports team models within corporate or theatrical organizations has Pete and Jen scratching their imaginary beards this week.

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • How do sports teams differ from corporate and theatrical structures? And how are they similar?
    • How might we utilize feedback, clarity, and communication within our teams?
    • How can we best set people up for success in our businesses?

    To hear all episodes and read full transcripts, visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box O’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos, and other interesting things that Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

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    18 mins
  • 393. BHAGs
    Apr 7 2026

    This week, Jen gets excited about the idea of risk progression, and she and Pete use the idea of BHAGs to think about steady risk implementation.

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • What is the definition of a BHAG?
    • How might we utilize progressive risk taking in our work and reach outs?
    • What might a hairy risk or goal look like?

    To hear all episodes and read full transcripts, visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box O’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos, and other interesting things that Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

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    17 mins
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