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Let's talk Transformation : The business leaders podcast

Let's talk Transformation : The business leaders podcast

By: Suzie Lewis
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"Let's talk Transformation" is a podcast for busy yet curious people who want to stay connected. Bite sized chunks of thoughts and ideas on transformation and change to inspire and inform you - be it about digital, culture, innovation, change or leadership... ! Connect with us to listen to dynamic and curious conversations about transformation.Copyright 2026 Suzie Lewis Economics Leadership Management Management & Leadership
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  • #161 Transforming from the inside out with Susanne Biro
    Mar 16 2026

    "Leadership is an art, it’s not just something we do"

    Research indicates over 75% of leaders remain in reactive behaviour, often avoiding difficult conversations and triggering hyper-vigilance within their teams. This creates an “intention-impact gap,” where good intentions don’t translate into desired outcomes.

    Susanne and I discuss the antidote to this 'immediacy' and presence. Sounds simple right ? A surprising fact from executive coaching: many powerful leaders struggle with authentic self-expression. Suzanne shares a compelling anecdote from her mother’s barbershop, where high-profile clients found solace in being treated as simply “people,” not titles.

    This highlights a core business lesson: authenticity builds connection, reducing the “lonely at the top” phenomenon. People stop seeing us and interacting with us as human beings when we lose touch with our true selves. Developing the courage to be “most fully yourself” is a priceless journey, transforming not just personal interactions but also team dynamics and organizational culture.

    How often do you adjust your communication to fit perceived expectations rather than expressing your genuine thoughts?

    The insights you'll get from this episode are :

    1. This Could be Everything offers actionable exercises for leaders taken from life lessons, e.g. we perceive famous people as less human, powerful people are just people, we must learn how to interact with all types of people.
    2. It helps to pay attention to subtle clues, understand how to create a good interpersonal experience, enable people to relax, share things and get to know people – an interest in serving other people requires trusting yourself first.
    3. We can recognise authenticity, curiosity, warmth, and openness in people (as well as the opposite), particularly in a work scenario; faking it is uncomfortable for authentic people, and we must grant ourselves the freedom to be ourselves.
    4. Outward signs of leaders not trusting themselves are a lack of creativity, innovation, healthy debate, and challenge; not acknowledging the work of others – we can reflect on the quality of our conversations to learn about ourselves.
    5. Leadership coaching involves speaking truth to and challenging people in order to advance them - we can all have impact if we share with the intention to serve; leadership is about being brave enough to speak up and following your instinct.
    6. Immediacy is one of most important – but underutilised – aspects of coaching, because whatever is happening in the here and now gives a complete picture of how people act in other situations.
    7. It can be difficult to build the immediacy muscle without it feeling confrontational - there must be a feeling of safety to address real issues; this can be based on our own personal history of speaking truth but taking small risks improves it over time.
    8. To shift out of reactive behaviour leaders need self-compassion and an understanding of their behaviour – it is important to convert the inner critic into an inner champion in order to be able to serve others.
    9. Leaders need to foster a different mindset to focus on the positive despite the inevitable negative that comes with the job; they can act by taking on feedback, being curious, learning, adapting, connecting with themselves, being flexible, and having conversations.
    10. Artistic unity, as in a piece of art or music intended to create a feeling, is a means of communicating for alignment and results, requiring humanity and emotion to tell a good story – the message is nothing more and nothing less, but ignites hearts and minds; leadership is an art after all.

    Find out more about Susanne and her work here :

    https://susannebiro.com/

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    44 mins
  • #160 Mindful rebellion with Meggi Rombach
    Mar 9 2026
    If you allow people to discover their voice, to claim their space, to set their boundaries… they will speak upMeggi and I discuss the concept of mindful rebellion - which isn't about anarchy, but about strategic influence and finding your voice in complex environments. This discussion explores the psychological impact of organizational identity on personal well-being, the challenges of reinvention, and the power of strategic, quiet disruption within established systems.An interesting take on mindfulness as an antidote to the potential pitfalls of AI. While AI can augment human capabilities, it risks making people “cognitively lazy” by replacing critical thinking and skill development. Learning mindfulness alongside AI skills from a young age can help individuals leverage AI’s benefits while preserving their capacity for presence and independent thought.Mindfulness became a crucial tool in meggi's own journey to prevent burnout and in turn informed her concept of mindful rebellion, a gentle yet powerful approach to challenging the status quo for greater innovation and employee satisfaction.The challenge of distinguishing between healthy self-reflection and destructive self-doubt, and allowing yourself to mourn during transitions, but not getting stuck in a negative space. This resonated deeply with me, as I know how easily we can fall into overthinking, especially when facing big changes or career shifts.How to foster and accompany this change ? The “submarine technique” for creating change within organizations was one idea. Instead of pushing loudly against resistance, working “under the radar,” gathering evidence, and building momentum with champions before emerging. This strategic patience allows new ideas to strengthen and gain support, making it easier for leaders to say “yes.” and enable them to cultivate environments where challenging the status quo leads to greater engagement and retention.This approach feels so relevant in today’s constantly changing workplaces, where reinventing ourselves and our businesses is the new normal for keeping up with technology and market shifts.The main insights you will get from this episode are :Mission-driven organisations can be outwardly compassionate but internally harsh; when organisational and personal identities merge, the outcome is akin to complex family dynamics – difficult moments mean we appreciate what binds us and feel a sense of belonging, but without becoming (too) attached to the need for external validation.We are all constantly evolving, moving through phases of (maybe radical) reinvention, changing priorities, learning from difficult moments along the way - the younger generation do not speak from a place of lived experience or pain and this gap between the generations is widening.Upskilling is the new normal and requires transferrable skills across sectors: our superpowers here are hard skills like craftsmanship (analytical, strategy, etc.) and soft skills like empathy, that come from life experience, e.g. ‘unofficial’ skills from family life or hobbies that can be a USP in bringing our whole selves to a job.The difference between healthy self-reflection and destructive self-doubt is mindfulness – understanding the principles of non-judgement, being aware of a negative mindset, feeling and acknowledging feelings and then letting them pass; artificial positivity can be dangerous, and mastery of self is important (especially in teams).The ‘submarine’ technique can be used to develop positive case studies to convince people of change, i.e. running small side projects under the radar to make the bigger point and then surface with demonstrable success, displaying strategic patience to help leaders support new ideas in a tangible, specific way.‘Mindful rebellion’ (based on the PCM personality model and Rebel Talent by Francesca Gino) is about finding our voice, accepting who we are and speaking up authentically; mindful rebel managers working with mindful rebel talent is a potent combination for successful intrapreneurship, even in bureaucratic setups.William Bridges’ three phases of change – the ending, the neutral zone and new beginnings – emphasise sufficient time in the neutral zone for introspection and challenging old scripts; in the absence of clarity, courage and confidence, the Japanese concept of ikigai is a good starting point for true alignment.Mindfulness can be the antidote to AI, making us aware of the risks - going through the pain ourselves will enable us to derive the biggest benefits from AI; curiosity about mindfulness and rebellion allows us to test them out in micro habit form, experimenting with an open mind and being bold with ideas.Find out more about Meggi and her work here :https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrombach/https://mindset-mastery.ch/https://meggirombach.com/
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    40 mins
  • #159 Leading Transformation: Performance, Inclusion, and Human-Centered Growth with Carlee Wolfe
    Mar 2 2026

    "What if the secret to leading change was simpler than you think?"

    Most change models are built for organizations, not people. They're layered, complex, and quietly ignore the messy, human reality of what it actually takes to shift human behaviour at scale.

    The journey of leadership in an era of constant change demands a shift from traditional, often performative models to a more human-centered approach. By integrating insights from high-performance environments like adaptive sports, leaders can cultivate clarity, provide genuine support, and leverage the undeniable power of encouragement.

    The three pillars of information, support, and encouragement offer a pragmatic framework for simplifying change, ensuring that transformations are not just enacted but are truly sustainable and impactful. Drawing on lessons from elite and adaptive sport, Carlee unpacks why clarity is the most underused leadership tool in the room, why encouragement isn't soft — it's neurochemical — and why inclusion isn't a values statement, it's a performance strategy.

    Furthermore, intentional inclusion becomes the non-negotiable foundation for innovation and resilience. As AI reshapes the landscape of talent and work, human-centered leadership, characterized by curiosity, learning out loud, and deep empathy, is more crucial than ever. It’s the human element that will drive AI’s true potential, connecting technology with purpose and fostering cultures where everyone can thrive. The invitation is clear: reflect on what you want to be proud of, and just begin.

    Whether you're leading a global transformation or a team of five, the fundamentals don't change. And they're more human than most leaders dare to admit.

    The main insights you'll get from this episode are :

    1. Performance happens quickly in sport and is built on the continual pursuit of betterment and excellence to achieve small improvements through hyperfocus and continual refinement.
    2. This approach can be transferred to work in the form of incremental gains, priority-setting, awareness of environment, self-leadership, understanding individuals’ needs within the context of the team; the celebratory energy of sport – as well as dealing with both wins and losses – is also very helpful and positive.
    3. A holistic approach (physical, emotional, and psychological) and balance are beneficial, but the power of clarity is often lacking in leadership, which requires big picture thinking in a world of change and the confidence to support a team when times are tough.
    4. Traditional models for change are coming up against future models – they are helpful but can become overwhelming; consultative conversations are very constructive and simplicity provides clarity, particularly for messy human issues, such as breaking down change into information, support and encouragement.
    5. Good support (from leaders) means providing information about what change entails, what development for the new role looks like, removing barriers to support, providing tooling/resources, addressing team dynamics, and making it clear where support comes from (e.g. informal chats, formal company communication channels, internal/external resources [ChatGPT]).
    6. Encouragement drives performance and is the anchor for delivering success, and ongoing praise functions as a barometer along the way; inclusion must be intentional and representative - a lack of innovation and reach impacts performance; small adjustments count and provide connection in communities.
    7. In terms of inclusion in the workplace, AI brings learnings, insights, skillsets, growth and development, and elevates innovation; we have to shift into an AI mindset of investing in tools and making them accessible, as well as upskilling for career development - leaders must remain human-centered in the face of shiny penny syndrome, learn out loud, and be curious, empathetic and caring.
    8. ‘Leading out loud’ means looking ahead and wanting to be proud of one’s achievements as a leader in challenging times; this includes striving for AI excellence to leave a long-term impact – leaders should just begin and continue to take one step at a time as their authentic self.

    Find out more about Carlee and her work here :

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/carleeawolfe/

    https://aceandarrowconsulting.com/about/

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    39 mins
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