Nathan Ament and Teege Mettille are the creators and co-hosts of the hit podcast, The Admissions Directors Lunchcast. They share different versions of their podcast's origin while somehow enticing Ken to share how the ALP came to be. Also, there's a teaser hidden in the Rapid Descent that you might catch if you listen carefully.

Special shout-out to a slew of Nathan's and Teege's former Lawrence colleagues, with extra love for Steve Syverson and Chuck Erickson, two of the finest to grace the halls of the Lawrence admissions office.

If you can't get enough of Teege, you can also find him on the Melrose Place Cast, even though he doesn't want you to.

Rapid Descent

• Walkout songs: The Humpty Dance (Nathan) and Superqueen (Teege)
• Best recent read: Say It Like Obama (Teege) and The Covenant of Water (Nathan)
• Eager to read next: Lake of Dragons (Teege) and "whatever Jamie recommends next" (Nathan)
• Favorite podcast: B*tchslap (Teege) and Capture the Magic Disney World Podcast (Nathan, who is also a licensed Disney World travel agent)
• Favorite thing to make in the kitchen: Old-fashioned or a Mai Tai (Nathan) and hand-rolled pretzels (Teege)
• Taking and keeping notes: Uniball Onyx pen (Teege) Pilot G2 with a Moleskine (Nathan)
• Memorable bit of advice: "When you try to be like the school down the street, you lose. Lean into what's unique about your school." (Steve Syverson to Nathan); "We all revert to email way too much. When possible, use the phone." (Ken Anselment to Teege)
• Bucket list: Complete the RAGBRAI (bike ride across Iowa for Teege); Be the captain of the water taxi that runs between the Polynesian Resort and Magic Kingdom (Nathan)

The ALP is supported by RHB. Music arranged by Ryan Anselment

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What happens when two avowed GenXers record a podcast episode? From the host you get a bad reference to C+C Music Factory; from the guest you get helpful lessons on "how to vice president." Michael Keaton, VP for Enrollment Management at Ursinus College, sets the record straight on who was Michael Keaton first, how to leave things better than you found them, and why all colleges are not in the same boat in the midst of the FAFSA rollout debacle.

Rapid Descent

• Walkout song: The Boss by James Brown (Michael actually uses walkout music at open house events ... get yourself to Ursinus for one of these!)
• Best recent read: The Black Kids by Christina Hammonds Reed
• Eager to read next: From Punk to Monk by Ray Rahunath Cappo
• Favorite podcast: Broad Street Breakdown by Jedi Mind Tricks
• Favorite thing to make in the kitchen: Vegan chopped cheese.
• Taking and keeping notes: Kindle Scribe
• Memorable bit of advice: "Don't start none; won't be none."
• Bucket list: CVisit the last 11 United States he hasn't yet visited. Friends from IA, ID, HI, KS, MI, MS, MT, ND, NE, SD, and WY? Help him out.

The ALP is supported by RHB. Music arranged by Ryan Anselment

Carin Smith, domestic recruitment manager and Chicago regional representative for Beloit College (and a former member of Ken's team at Lawrence who helped him learn how to be an admissions director through a creative partnership she arranged), talks about how to lead without title, and the four reasons why this has been a deliberate choice she has made over her four decades in college admissions. She'll also share three essential perspectives on what makes a good leader.

This episode is dedicated to Molly Arnold (1962-2010), without whom neither host nor guest would be the people or professionals they are today.

Rapid Descent

• Walkout song: Centerfield by John Fogerty
• Best recent read: The Boys in the Boat by Daniel James Brown
• Eager to read next: Leaders Eat Last by Simon Sinek
• Favorite podcast: None, "I'm an audiobook fan."
• Favorite thing to make in the kitchen: Cinnamon scones.
• Taking and keeping notes: Lined paper by Rifle and a sharp pencil with eraser.
• Memorable bit of advice: Used delayed send [on emails].
• Bucket list: Chicago Cubs spring training [to which the host replies, "Go Brewers."]

The ALP is supported by RHB. Music arranged by Ryan Anselment