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Talking Family Law - The Resolution Podcast

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  • Guests take on a topical debate in family law in each episode in this podcast series from Resolution. Our hosts, Simon Blain and Anita Mehta, invite family law experts to share their experiences and anecdotes, in an insightful and entertaining conversation.
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  • Resolution Podcast S3 Episode #9 | Maintenance and the Length of the Judge’s Foot | w/ Sally Harrison KC & Farhana Shazhady
    Apr 29 2024

    What is the correct approach to a maintenance case? Listen to Sally Harrison KC (St John’s Buildings) and Farhana Shahzady (Streathers Solicitors) tell us how it is done.

    Sally reminds us of the guidance of Mr Justice Peel in WC v HC (Financial Remedies Agreements) (Rev1) [2022] EWFC 22 (22 March 2022)

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWFC/HCJ/2022/22.html

    when thinking about the quantum of a maintenance order. Mr Justice Peel found that needs are an elastic concept, to be judged by reference to consideration of financial needs and obligations, whether there are children, and the age of the parties. We discuss how the length of the marriage really impacts on how much the standard of living is taken into account. Farhana reminds of guidance of Mr Justice Mostyn in SS v NS (Spousal Maintenance) (Rev 1) [2014] EWHC 4183 (Fam).

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2014/4183.html

    Sally and Farhana discuss the distinction between cases involving wealthy families where the Court may well be inclined to make a Duxbury award, as opposed to need based income awards in the majority of cases. We discuss the overall impression that Courts are being quite restrictive on terms and quantum of maintenance at present.

    When talking about capitalising maintenance awards, Sally wrestles with the discrepancy between the Ogden tables having a -0.25% rate of return in England & Wales, as opposed to Duxbury’s 3.75% rate of return after inflation of 3%.

    Sally considers the following cases:

    HC v FW [2017] EWHC 3162 (Fam) (29 November 2017)

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2017/3162.html

    Tattersall

    Z (No.5) (Enforcement) [2024] EWFC 44 (04 March 2024)

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWFC/HCJ/2024/44.html

    Farhana tells us why it is important to consider the impact of menopause, when considering maintenance quantum, term and nominal maintenance. She shares the details of her survey about the impact of maintenance in family law and financial remedy cases.

    Resolution will be releasing a spousal maintenance handbook in Summer 2024. Please check the website for details.

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    53 mins
  • Resolution Podcast S3 Episode #8 | PAG2, Pensions, and a Goodbye to Hilary | w/ Hilary Woodward, Paul Cobley and & Rhys Taylor
    Mar 25 2024
    This month we are joined by Hilary Woodward (Honorary Senior Research Fellow with Bristol School of Law), Paul Cobley (Oak Barn Financial Planning) and Rhys Taylor (36 Group) to discuss PAG2: https://www.nuffieldfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/A-guide-to-the-treatment-of-pensions-on-divorce-2nd-edition.pdf Hilary tells us about the changes in PAG2 and mentions the guide to the changes which is available on the webpage: https://www.nuffieldfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/The-PAG2-Guide-%E2%80%93-What-Has-Changed-1.pdfThe changes include the Divorce, Dissolution and Separation Act 2020, apportionment, short-marriages, lifetime allowance, Galbraith tables, and where there is an age-gap between the parties. Rhys explains the Galbraith tables – which is an attempt to provide the ‘true value’, or ‘market value’ of a defined benefit pension (not defined contribution schemes) for the purpose of divorce other than by use of the CE. They provide a multiplier according to the person’s age and benefit to use against the income stream for a pension. PAG2 says they are useful starting point, but remember they are a tool not a rule, which can be used when considering off-setting without the assistance of a PODE. They have not had high level judicial consideration but they do appear in At A Glance. Remember the current tables were drafted in early 2022 so just as the war in Ukraine started, and prior to Liz Truss’ terms as Prime Minister so there have been lots of changes in the bond markets since then. The tables will be updated in the next At A Glance. Paul reminds us that most of the time we are dealing with deferred pension scheme benefits i.e. where an employee has a pension scheme benefit from a previous employer. It is therefore really important that you obtain the re-valued income to today’s date and not what the income would have been on date the person left the company before applying the multiplier. We discuss off-setting, and that the key thing to ask yourself is do you have a broad handle on what the gross value of the pension is worth before you start trading it with other assets. Followed by apportionment - when is it appropriate, including in short marriage cases. Importantly PAG2 stresses that the relevant date, when apportionment is appropriate, is when seamless cohabitation prior to marriage commences – therefore we all should stop asking seeking the additional pension calculation from when the actual marriage starts. We discuss that the Lifetime Allowance is being abolished by the Finance Act (No. 2) 2023:https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/abolition-of-the-lifetime-allowance-from-6-april-2024/abolition-of-the-lifetime-allowance-lta#:~:text=At%20Spring%20Budget%202023%2C%20the,work%20to%20abolish%20the%20LTA%20. The lifetime allowance tax charge has in effect already been abolished, and from the 6th April 2024 the lifetime allowance will be abolished. However, it will be replaced by the lump sum allowance, and the lump sum and death benefit allowance in the future. The complexity comes that if a person had lifetime allowance protection before 6th April 2024 that allows a higher lump sum than is available on the standard lump sum allowance basisunder the new Act, they would still be able to benefit from the previous protections. Therefore, you must still find out whether the parties have a lifetime allowance protection. There are four new suggestions for dealing with when there is an age gap between the parties, and one party is receiving their pension, and the other person needs the pension to meet their needs but is too young to receive it currently. PAG2 now also suggests consideration of judicial separation (not divorce), spousal maintenance, an increased percentage PSO or consecutive orders (pension attachment to pension sharing orders). Also deferred pension sharing orders are technically possible but inherently risky. We discuss the problem with ‘moving target syndrome’ i.e. that the value of the pension at the time of the transfer is likely to be different to the value it was at the time of reports/ trial. This is particularly an issue with Defined Benefit Schemes, although it affects Defined Contribution schemes too. Unfortunately, in the last two years the values have often been a lot less at implementation (where in the past they have been a lot higher). It is important that we advise clients of these risks. Hilary, Paul and Rhys endorse the Survival Guide to Pensions on Divorce: - https://www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/survival-guide-pensions-divorceFor lay clients and litigants in person. It is too is being updated, and is due to be released in May 2024. Finally we say goodbye to Hilary. Do read Rhys’ article about Hilary in the financial remedy journal at: - https://financialremediesjournal.com/content/interview-with-hilary-woodward.871526729c204f91bd4346757b9895b2.htm
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    57 mins
  • Resolution Podcast S3 Episode #7 | Business accounts; have a healthy dose of scepticism | w/ Robert Cole & Peter Smith
    Feb 26 2024

    This month we are treated to this tour de force by Robert Cole who is Head of the Family Team at Broadway House Chambers, Leeds and regularly sits as an arbitrator and ENE/pFDR adjudicator across the country, and Peter Smith from Quantis Forensic Accountants about how to analyse business accounts.

    We immediately launch into a discussion about what should cause you concern in business accounts, and the well known issue that businesses always seem to be failing when people are getting divorced. Therefore, how professionals need to have four to five years accounts to be able to look at trends. Peter suggests we should take an overview of:

    • Has revenue, sales or turnover gone down?
    • Have gross profit margins gone down? And
    • Have costs gone up?

    These factors will provide a good indicator of any causes for concern.


    Robert adds to that you should have look at what fixed assets there are, and whether the valuation has been updated. If you consider these points, you will have good insight into whether you need to ask for a valuer from the Court.

    Peter and Robert give us some tips for questionnaires, including:

    • Asking for a copy of up-to-date profit & loss accounts, management accounts and balance sheets as most decent size businesses with accounting software will have that immediately available;
    • Summaries from the VAT portal;
    • And always checking viewing the Companies Article of Association;

    We discuss when valuations from the business’s own accountants are reliable. Before moving on to consider what type of valuations should be used for each business.

    Robert advises us that to be successful in a Daniels v Walker application that you first need to have tried to clarify matters with the expert, but even where you are not going to pursue a Daniels v Walker application but just want to make submissions about the reliability of the conclusions then questions are important to tease out vulnerabilities in the report. Peter also points out that there is a distinction between wanting to challenge the expert’s judgment – which can be done without a separate expert – and where an expert has made a mistake for example an error in the factual basis.

    We discuss when should a quasi-partnership apply, and Robert advises us to use the checklist from Re: Bird Precision Bellows [1986] 2 WLR 158:

    • close working relationship between the shareholders (usually pre-existing the incorporation);
    • restriction on the transfer of shares to a third party;
    • the shareholders continue to be actively involved in the day-to-day running of the company (not necessarily employed but consulted about day-to-day and strategic decisions)

    During the discussion, we refer to the following cases:

    V v V (Financial Remedy) [2005] 2 FLR 697

    J v J [2014] EWHC 3654 HTTPS://WWW.JUDICIARY.UK/WP-CONTENT/UPLOADS/2014/11/J-V-J-JUDGMENT.PDF

    Martin v Martin [2018] EWCA Civ 2866 – risk and liquidity

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2018/2866.html

    Versteegh v Versteegh [2018] EWCA Civ 1050 – on the lack of reliability in valuations

    https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2018/1050.html&query=(versteegh)

    Ebrahimi v Westbourne Galleries Ltd [1973] AC 360

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebrahimi_v_Westbourne_Galleries_Ltd

    G v G (Financial Provision: Equal Division) [2002] 2 FLR 1143 - Where shareholders act in concert and would be unlikely to sell separately then discount less applicable

    Clarke v Clarke [2022] EWHC 2698 – on whether a minority discount should apply

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2022/2698.html

    Technical factsheet from ACCA – for minority interests discounts

    https://www.accaglobal.com/content/dam/ACCA_Global/Technical/fact/technical-factsheet-167.pdf

    WM v HM [2017] EWFC 25 (09 May 2017)

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWFC/HCJ/2017/25.html

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    1 hr and 11 mins

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