Laura Jane Grace is the songwriter behind Against Me! We discuss meaningless songs, the 7-hour Beatles documentary, she quit horoscopes, big life changes, Travis Barker on Rick Rubin, Operation Ivy reunion vs. Fugazi reunion, hoarding guitars, “Fit But You Know It” by The Streets, Butch Vig gave Laura homework, Franz Ferdinand-core, bitching about the music industry in song, Laura’s favorite Nirvana album, Steve Albini, Tom Petty, naiveté + inexperience + ambition + hard work = good, morning-pages, Yoga with Adriene, Steak Mtn as a pen-pal, Birds Talk Too, touching grass, George Harrison, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Dysphoria Hoodie, not thinking about gender, Lay’s potato chips and Billy Corgan, shredding her voice, relapsing on coffee, movies stink now, plus the current and future state of Against Me!

Laura's new solo record, ⁠Hole in My Head⁠, is out now.

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Jordan Kleeman started Crasshole Records as a teenager and put out several early Against Me! EPs including this legendary self-titled 12” record. We talk about the first version of “Walking is Still Honest,” why this beautiful record sounds like shit, a decade of touring with Against Me!, and holding down that synth-key note on “8 Hours of Full Sleep.” Just a wonderful person and a perfect boomerang back to the beginning of this band’s story.

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