• SaaS Talk™ with the Metrics Brothers - Strategies, Insights, & Metrics for B2B SaaS Executive Leaders

  • By: Ray Rike & Dave Kellogg
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SaaS Talk™ with the Metrics Brothers - Strategies, Insights, & Metrics for B2B SaaS Executive Leaders

By: Ray Rike & Dave Kellogg
  • Summary

  • SaaS Talk™ with the Metrics Brothers is hosted by Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike. SaaS Talk™ provides unique insights, strategies, tactics and the metrics to measure customer acquisition, customer retention and customer expansion success for B2B SaaS companies.

    Each 20-minute episode will cover a topic critical to profitable revenue growth chalked full of practical advice that can be introduced and applied in most B2B SaaS companies. A unique aspect of each episode is that Dave and Ray will include 2-3 questions submitted by listeners to previous SaaS Talk episodes.

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Episodes
  • Rubrik S-1 and IPO - A Growth and Profitability Metrics Review
    May 8 2024

    Rubrik, a cloud industry cybersecurity company went public on April 25th - Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike break down the key metrics that Rubrik used as the foundation to their S-1 and Initial Public Offering. Those metrics include:

    • Annual Recurring Revenue Growth
    • Revenue (GAAP) Growth
    • Net Revenue Retention
    • Sales and Marketing Expenses as % of Revenue
    • Free Cash Flow versus Net Income


    The Metrics Brothers also discuss the Rubrik transition to a recurring revenue model and the two-tier stock structure used to ensure voting control remains with the founders and early investors.

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    24 mins
  • Growth Endurance in SaaS - A New Normal?
    Apr 30 2024

    Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike discuss how a "growth rate" endures for a SaaS company trend over time!

    Topics covered during the conversation include:

    • T2D3 Growth Model and Mantra from 2015
    • "56789" Growth Model from Metric Brother Dave "CAC" Kellogg
    • The Impact of Growth Endurance decreasing to 65% in 2023 versus 80% in 2021


    Growth Endurance is the measure of how a company's growth rate endures over time: GE = current year’s growth rate / last year’s growth rate.

    At an 80% Growth Endurance (2021 value) says that a companies growth rate in the next year will be 80% of the current years growth

    - example: 70% growth this year would predict 56% growth next year

    Growth Endurance has decreased over the last two years and is NOW ~ 65% (2023)

    - example: 70% growth this year would predict 45.5% growth next year

    Growth Endurance decreasing from 80% to 65% may not sound that bad but let's look at the impact over 5 years at a $10M ARR company today but...

    • 80% Growth Endurance = $189M ARR in Five Years (starting at $10M ARR)
    • 65% Growth Endurance = $122M ARR in Five Years (starting at $10M ARR)


    Using a 6.5x "Enterprise Value to Revenue" multiple that projects a material decrease in Enterprise Value 👇

    • 80% Growth Endurance = $1.23B Enterprise Value in Five Years
    • 65% Growth Endurance = $793M Enterprise Value in Five Years


    The change in Growth Endurance translates into a $437M decrease in EV (at the same 6.5x multiple)

    🤷‍♂️ If Growth Endurance has decreased by 15% over the past two years and Customer Acquisition Cost & Growth Efficiency have not improved materially over the past 7 quarters it might be time to change ...

    The "T2D3" Growth Model suggests the below ARR growth for a B2B SaaS company

    • Get to $2M
    • Next year: Triple to $6M
    • Next year: Triple to $18M
    • Next year: Double to $36MNext year: Double to $72M
    • Next year: Double to $144M


    The "56789" Growth Model suggests the below ARR growth for a B2B SaaS company

    • Year 5: $10M
    • Year 6:$20M
    • Year 7: $50M
    • Year 8: $75M
    • Year 9:$100M


    If you are a fan of B2B SaaS and have a desire or need to stay on top of the most recent trends this episode is a great listen!

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    21 mins
  • SaaS Metrics Maturity Model - Part 2
    Apr 25 2024

    Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike continue their discussion on the SaaS Metrics Maturity Model which includes the below five levels:

    • Level 1: Foundation
    • Level 2: Trust
    • Level 3: Strategic Linkage
    • Level 4: Metrics Culture
    • Level 5: Trajectory


    Level 1: Lay the foundation

    • Definitions and calculations
    • Pipeline stages, forecast categories, close dates, values, SaaS metrics
    • Semantics - what do words like best case, forecast, commit and downside mean
    • Instrument underlying systems (GL, CRM, Billing, HCM, etc)
    • Consider Metrics Committee


    Level 2: Build trust

    • Templates, templates, templates
    • Metrics selection & presentation
    • History & context - always include footnotes on how metrics are calculated
    • Regular Cadence: which templates used at which meetings?
    • Continuous improvement - fix data at the source, improve templates


    Level 3: Link Metrics to Business Strategy

    • Identify your top challenges
    • Define 4-6 strategic goals - align metrics to those goals
    • Link department, team and individual objectives to the company metrics (OKRs)


    Level 4: Build a metrics culture

    • Demand numeracy
    • Manage to the regular metrics publishing cadence
    • Metrics conversations about the business impact NOT the metric calculation method


    Level 5: Agree on strategic trajectory

    • Long-range, driver-based models
    • Timeframe: When are metrics goals targeted to be achieved, what are the milestones towards goal
    • Sequencing: Not everything at once - what is the priority order and associated timeframe for each metric's goal


    If you are a creator, user or participant in how your company uses metrics to measure performance, inform decision making and/or report performance to your boss, your board and your investors this conversation will be valuable!!!

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    24 mins

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