What if the very pain that has broken you could become the pathway to your greatest healing? In this powerful conversation, Pastor Derwin and Vicki unpack the heart behind Pastor Derwin's new book, *It's Time to Heal: Four God-Given Steps to Restore What Life Has Shattered*—a message born not from theory, but from their own raw, courageous journey through trauma and transformation. Drawing from John 5:6, where Jesus asks a man paralyzed for decades, "Do you want to be made well?" Pastor Derwin reveals that healing begins with a vulnerable yes—because Jesus doesn't heal a future version of us, He heals the real us. With wisdom rooted in both Scripture and neuroscience, Pastor Derwin reframes suffering through the lens of post-traumatic growth, reminding us that the villain and the hero share the same origin story: pain. The difference is what you do with it. Vicki's voice adds tender authenticity, affirming that healing isn't linear, but God wastes nothing. Don't stay stuck in familiar pain—pre-order multiple copies of *It's Time to Heal* today and begin passing down healing instead of hurt to the next generation, for the glory of King Jesus.

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What if the wounds you've been quietly carrying your whole life were never meant to stay hidden? In this powerful conversation, Pastor Derwin and Licensed Professional Counselor Jim Cress explore the transformative message at the heart of Pastor Derwin's new book, *It's Time to Heal: Four God-Given Steps to Restore What Life Has Shattered*. Drawing from Romans 12:2—"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will"—Pastor Derwin reveals how neuroscience is catching up to what Scripture has proclaimed for centuries: real healing transforms us from the inside out. Through his own story of trauma, shame, and breakthrough, he unpacks the HEAL framework—Honest about what happened, Expect turbulence, Accept what took place, and Live from love, not for love—showing that true wholeness isn't behavioral modification but a new creation encounter with Jesus. As Jim affirms, this integration of theology, psychology, and neurobiology isn't compromise—it's wisdom. If you feel stuck, ashamed, or secretly broken, Jesus is already at the table with a cup of coffee saying, "I already know, and I love you." Pre-order *It's Time to Heal* today and take your first step toward freedom.

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• More from Derwin: www.derwinlgray.com and www.transformationchurch.tc/podcast

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What does it look like when followers of Jesus who love the same Lord arrive at the table holding vastly different political convictions? Pastor Derwin, alongside Dr. Frank Turek and Dr. Charlie Dates, opens a courageous and deeply needed conversation about faith, ethnicity, and political engagement—reminding us that the church is not a building but a blood-bought people of King Jesus, loved by the Father and empowered by the Spirit. Drawing from John 13, Dr. Dates grounds the entire dialogue in a love "based upon the virtue of the giver, not the worthiness of the recipient"—a love the Black church has embodied even toward a nation that did not love them in return. Dr. Turek challenges believers to engage government as seriously as they engage family and church, because politics directly shapes our ability to preach the gospel. Together, all three voices refuse easy answers, holding both prophetic critique and humble empathy, urging Christians to see one another's pain before dismissing one another's conclusions. This conversation is a call to you—don't retreat into comfortable tribalism. Lean in, listen deeply, and let the love of Christ be the politics that transforms your neighborhood, your city, and your world.

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• More from Derwin: www.derwinlgray.com and www.transformationchurch.tc/podcast

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