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Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led

Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led

By: Brad Hawkins & Jim Brangenberg
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Our goal with every Power of OR Podcast is to provide a lively, unfiltered, unedited, unfettered, and unscripted conversation with a businessperson. We will explore their daily work and see if we can uncover a powerful "Or" moment facing our guest. Our goal is to access the wisdom of God for the solutions man seeks. With hosts Brad Hawkins (SaferNet.com) & Jim Brangenberg (iWork4Him).2025 Christianity Ministry & Evangelism Spirituality
Episodes
  • Ep 14: The Secret to a Meaningful Life

    Ep 14: The Secret to a Meaningful Life
    May 12 2026
    Featuring: Paul Nichols Role: Retiree and Chaplain What does a life of quiet faithfulness really look like? In this episode of the Power of OR, Brad Hawkins and Jim Brangenberg sit down with Paul Nichols, a retired manufacturing worker, longtime chaplain, pastor, husband, and faithful servant whose impact has stretched across decades of loving people well. From factory floors and hospital rooms to funerals, Bible studies, and late-night phone calls, Paul shares how God used ordinary moments of service to transform lives. His stories are filled with wisdom, humility, humor, and a deep conviction that loving people where they are can change everything. Rather than chasing recognition or comfort, Paul chose a life of consistency, compassion, and eternal perspective. His testimony is a powerful reminder that ministry is often messy, people are complicated, and love is still the most transformative force we can offer. What you'll hear in this episode: How Paul became a chaplain inside a manufacturing plant Why "meeting people where they're at" matters so deeply The challenges of loving difficult and broken people Lessons learned from decades of ministry and listening Why retirement doesn't have to mean checking out of purpose Why Paul believes the key to life is simple: love people well Paul's life is a picture of what can happen when someone quietly says "yes" to God day after day for decades. Whether he was praying with hurting coworkers on a factory line, helping struggling families at 2 a.m., or encouraging others through Scripture, his mission stayed the same: love others the way Christ loved him. This conversation will challenge you to rethink influence, purpose, retirement, and what it means to truly serve people. If you've ever wondered whether small acts of faithfulness really matter, Paul's story answers that question with a resounding yes.
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    53 mins
  • Ep 13: Leadership Starts at Home

    Ep 13: Leadership Starts at Home
    Apr 28 2026
    Featuring: Dr. Miles Mettler Role: Focus on the Family Ambassador In this episode, parenting isn't treated as a formula. It's revealed as a series of choices. Dr. Miles Mettler shares how his journey through health and behavioral sciences, leadership, and faith led to a powerful realization: you can react out of instinct or you can respond with intention – and that choice shapes everything in your home. If you want to bring out the best in your kids, it starts with bringing out the best in yourself. From growing up on a South Dakota farm to serving with Focus on the Family, Miles unpacks the real work of parenting: owning mistakes, building trust, and choosing thoughtful responses over automatic reactions. It's in those small, everyday moments – the tone you use, whether you pause to listen, whether you admit when you're wrong – where the trajectory of a family is formed. What you'll hear in the episode: Why success at work can mask failure at home The moment that changed how he chose to express love to his kids How small decisions shape long-term trust and communication The impact of reacting critically vs. responding with grace The shift from talking more → to truly listening Why letting kids fail (at the right time) builds maturity The role of apology in restoring connection and credibility How faith was modeled through consistency, not just conversation How parenting evolves over time – and what that means for grandparents This episode is a reminder that parenting isn't about perfection. It's about choosing wisely in the moments that matter most. You can try to control outcomes or you can lead with intention, humility, and trust – and that decision can change everything.
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    52 mins
  • Ep 12: This One Habit Will Change Your Reactions Forever

    Ep 12: This One Habit Will Change Your Reactions Forever
    Apr 14 2026
    Featuring: Brad Hawkins Role: Author of The Power of OR What if the biggest breakdowns in your relationships, leadership, and even your faith aren't caused by circumstances, but by the conclusions you make in seconds? In this episode, Brad Hawkins and Jim Brangenberg turn the mic on themselves to introduce The Power of OR. What starts as a book launch quickly becomes a practical, eye-opening conversation about how one small shift in thinking can interrupt destructive patterns, restore peace, and help you pursue truth before reacting. What you'll hear in the episode: The simple idea behind "The Power of OR" and why it's so impactful How thoughts trigger a domino effect: emotions → behaviors → results Why your first reaction is rarely the full truth Brad's personal story of loss, frustration, and rebuilding his faith The difference between "I don't know" and actively seeking understanding A practical framework: disrupt, discern, then decide Real-life examples from marriage, business, and leadership How OR thinking transforms team culture and client interactions A powerful illustration of how assumptions can quickly spiral Why this is a mindset worth teaching your kids and grandkids At its core, this conversation is about choosing curiosity over certainty. It's about pausing long enough to seek truth, extend grace, and respond with intention instead of impulse. If you're ready to put this into practice, The Power of OR isn't just a concept. It's a tool you can start using immediately. Grab a copy of the book and begin reshaping the way you think, respond, and lead.
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    49 mins
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