What happens when the systems we have relied on for decades no longer make sense?

In this episode, Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are joined by Ja-Naé Duane and Steve Fisher to explore what they call a series of “super shifts”, fundamental changes that are reshaping how we work, lead, and make sense of the world. As technology accelerates and intelligence becomes increasingly distributed, many of the assumptions that once gave us stability, about value, expertise, and control, begin to break down.

This is not a conversation about technology alone. It is about how we respond when the future feels uncertain and the rules are no longer clear. From the idea that our sense of agency may be more fragile than we think, to the need to move from control to co-creation, the discussion offers a different way of thinking about leadership, one grounded less in certainty and more in adaptability, awareness, and mindset.

This episode invites a deeper question. If the old models no longer hold, what replaces them, and what does it take to lead when you cannot rely on the past to guide you?

Reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:

Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, Wiley, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, Baker Books, 2023)

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The Mindset Economy Podcast is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside Consulting Ltd production.

In this episode of The Mindset Economy, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are joined by Amy Edmondson, one of the world’s leading thinkers on leadership, teaming, and organisational learning. Together, they explore why most conversations in organisations today aren’t bad, they’re just not good enough. Amy reframes psychological safety as “permission for candor,” challenges the idea that comfort is the goal, and explains why learning (not knowing) is becoming the critical capability in an increasingly uncertain world.

As AI becomes part of the team and the pace of change accelerates, the conversation shifts to what it really takes to perform when the stakes are high. From intelligent failure and the “failure landscape” to high-quality conversations and reducing interpersonal risk, this episode unpacks the conditions that allow people to speak up, think clearly, and learn together. If the future of work depends on how we adapt, then the quality of our thinking – and our conversations – will define what happens next.

Reading from Amy Edmondson:

Right Kind of Wrong: How the Best Teams Use Failure to Succeed (Penguin, 2024)
The Fearless Organization: Creating Psychological Safety in the Workplace for Learning, Innovation, and Growth (Wiley, 2025)

Reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:

Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, Wiley, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, Baker Books, 2023)

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The Mindset Economy Podcast is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside Consulting Ltd production.

What if the biggest risk in the age of AI isn’t losing jobs, but losing our ability to imagine the future?

In this episode of The Mindset Economy, Jean Gomes and Scott Allender speak with futurist Sarah Housley, author of Designing Hope about why our collective imagination about the future seems to have stalled. As AI advances and change accelerates, many people feel less agency, not more. So how do we reclaim the ability to imagine and design better futures?

Building on ideas such as protopia (futures that improve gradually through experimentation, human ingenuity, and collective action), the conversation explores how leaders can create more hopeful visions of the future, why rapid technological change can undermine our sense of agency, and why developing more non-linear ways of thinking may be essential as AI and other forces reshape the world.

Reading from Sarah Housley:

Designing Hope: Visions to Shape Our Future (2025, Indigo Press)

Reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:

Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, Wiley, 2023)

The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, Baker Books, 2023)

Social:
Instagram @mindseteconomypodcast
LinkedIn The Mindset Economy Podcast
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The Mindset Economy Podcast is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside Consulting Ltd production.