This is our unabridged interview with Ayana Elizabeth Johnson.

How can you respond to climate change with joy?

Those two words—climate change—can fill us with a sense of dread, anxiety, and doom. Those advocating action are often fueled by a sense of breakneck urgency. But for many, such an outlook isn’t motivating. It’s paralyzing. But what if there was another way filled with joy and satisfaction?

“This is the work of our lifetime,” says Ayana Elizabeth Johnson, “so why don't we find ways to make it delightful?” In this episode, she explains why the climate crisis is no less dire than the news makes it seem, but why climate activism must be done with hope and joy to be sustainable.

Show Notes

Resources mentioned this episode:

"What If We Get It Right" by Ayana Elizabeth Johnson

GetItRight.Earth

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PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcript of Abridged Episode

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