Katrin Pakizer, Research Associate from the Zurich University of Applied Sciences (ZHAW) and the Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science & Technology (Eawag) joins us to discuss how to create transformative change and to transition cities towards more sustainable natural resources management from the lenses of water infrastructure, biodiversity and all the many infrastructures and resources beneath our feet. We look at the challenges that we are likely to face in future in these areas due to climate change and what changes have to happen in institutions if we want to succeed in being more sustainable.

Podcast Intro/Outro Song: Starsky by Alex Keren (Check out more of his tunes over on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/5vZ3lENfDLjkln8scBJ8mW)

Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:59 Guest Intro and fascination with Lichen
5:58 What came first, social sciences or nature
7:55 Katrin's journey to decentralized water systems
14:42 Creating transformative change 1: Grassroots movements
20:28 A 101 on housing cooperatives in Switzerland
23:17 Creating transformative change 2: Policy instrument mixes
28:41 Creating transformative change 3: Timing and sequencing
40:39 Katrin's current endeavours in biodiversity
45:16 Underground resources governance
52:35 The road ahead for Katrin
54:10 Q&A Start
54:30 What inspires you
56:55 If you had a magic wand
59:22 Key moment, book, person
1:01:24 Biggest challenge to date
1:07:23 Time management
1:12:10 Advice for young researchers
1:14;32 Where can people find you
1:15:00 Final message
1:15:22 Outro

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