In this episode, Patrick Casale talks with Chris and Daisy Chavers, an incredibly talented husband-and-wife duo behind Red Rabbit Tattoo, whose journey epitomizes what it means to persevere through a catastrophic disaster.

From losing their Asheville tattoo shop to Hurricane Helene, to reestablishing roots in Savannah and boldly diversifying their business, Chris and Daisy’s story is a testament to the grit behind small business ownership.

Here are 3 key takeaways:

1. Adaptability Isn’t Optional—It’s Survival: Catastrophic setbacks, like natural disasters, don’t just affect businesses—they impact entire communities and personal identities. Surviving as small business owners—and eventually thriving—requires creativity, quick pivots, and a willingness to experiment with new income streams.
2. The Entrepreneurial Journey is Unpredictable and Vulnerable: Daisy’s leap from tattooing to writing, and Chris’s foray into new ventures, highlight the importance of allowing yourself to evolve. Embracing vulnerability can unlock authentic creativity—and new opportunities you never expected.
3. Community and Connection Are Foundations for Recovery: Even in moments of loss, leaning on your network and focusing on relationships with clients, peers, and loved ones is critical. Collective resilience carries us further than going it alone.

More about Chris and Daisy:

Chris and Daisy Chavers are a husband-and-wife duo with deep roots in the tattooing world. Chris brings decades of experience to the craft, known for his precision, bold style, and deep commitment to the art of tattooing. Daisy specializes in delicate florals, fine line work, and cosmetic and paramedical tattooing, offering everything from scar camouflage to restorative procedures.

Together, they have built a reputation for excellence, creativity, and care in every piece of work they do. Now, Daisy is expanding her creative expression beyond the tattoo studio and into the world of writing. Her latest venture blends humor, heart, and hard-won wisdom—offering stories that connect, heal, and inspire.

• Instagram: @chrischavers @msdaisyink
• Red Rabbit Tattoo: Redrabbittattoo.com
• Daisy's Books and Tattoos: msdaisyink.com
• Coloring Books: pickletrainpress.com

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What should you do when that dreaded subpoena arrives in your private practice's inbox or mailbox?

In this episode, Patrick Casale talks with Dr. Brittany Bate, licensed psychologist, private practice strategy coach, and the founder of Be BOLD Psychology and Consulting, about the essentials that mental health professionals need to know to navigate legal requests and the court system.

3 key takeaways:

1. Paperwork Preparedness is Protection: Ensure your informed consent and scope of practice documents are up to date, specifically with clear language around court involvement, parental consent for minors, and your actual capacity/role as a therapist (hint: you are not a custody evaluator unless specifically trained!).
2. Don’t Ignore—Respond! Even if a subpoena isn’t a court order, it usually requires a response (not just in NC, but in most states). Failing to reply—even if the request is unnecessary or outside your scope—could result in being held in contempt of court.
3. Have (and Enforce) Reasonable Court Fees: Outline your fees for all court-related activities (prep, document compilation, testimony, etc.) in your paperwork. These should be reasonable and customary—don’t “price yourself out” unethically. Enforcing these agreements can often deter unnecessary requests and ensure your time is respected.

Brittany also reminds therapists to document every session as if it might be read aloud in court. You never know when your notes may become part of the public record.

If you want practical templates, risk-management tips, and on-demand courses to get your private practice truly “court-proof,” Brittany and her team have resources ready to go.

DISCLAIMER: This podcast episode is for educational purposes and is not intended as legal advice.

More about Brittany:

Dr. Brittany Bate is a licensed psychologist, private practice strategy coach, and the founder of Be BOLD Psychology and Consulting – a North Carolina-based, primarily telehealth group practice offering LGBTQIA+ celebratory, neuroaffirming, and trauma-informed care. Her team specializes in individual, couples, family, and group therapy, as well as psychological evaluations, court-ordered assessments, and forensic evaluations and services.

Brittany also owns Bold Practice Builders, where she helps therapists and group practice owners build values-aligned, efficient, and profitable businesses through trainings, masterminds, and done-for-you customizable templates and resources.

With a doctoral degree focusing in clinical psychology with a forensic emphasis, Brittany is a forensic psychologist at heart. Additionally, with a background in conducting therapy and assessment in forensic state hospitals, state and federal prisons, and conducting threat assessments with the NC State Bureau of Investigation’s Behavioral Threat Assessment Unit, Brittany brings a unique lens to the intersection of mental health and the legal system. She’s especially passionate about helping fellow clinicians navigate subpoenas, courtroom testimony, and high-stakes ethical decisions – before the subpoena arrives or they are on the stand. Her goal is to equip providers with the paperwork, confidence, and strategies they need to respond clearly, ethically, and without panic.

A self-proclaimed group therapy enthusiast and jury research nerd, Brittany combines real-world experience with research-backed best practices – especially when it comes to ethical testimony and witness preparation.

As a queer, cisgender woman with ADHD, Brittany is also deeply committed to uplifting other LGBTQIA+ and neurodivergent professionals as they build bold, affirming businesses of their...

Navigating entrepreneurship is challenging enough—but add chronic illness or invisible disabilities to the mix, and the journey is a whole new level of complex. In this episode, Patrick Casale and Destiny Davis, MS, LPC, CRC, share powerful insights on building meaningful, sustainable work while honoring your own needs.

Here are 3 key takeaways:

1. Honor Your Capacity: Your energy and time are your most valuable resources. It’s okay to say “no,” set boundaries, and recognize that your own well-being comes first—even when that means letting go of things you once loved or cutting back on work that’s no longer sustainable.
2. Build Supportive Systems: Whether it’s a supportive partner, intentional friendships, or business relationships with similar values, surrounding yourself with understanding people makes a huge difference. Don’t have that support? Explore peer networks, online groups, or communities where your lived experience is understood and validated.
3. Practice Self-Compassion Over Perfection: Normalize the ebb and flow of your energy. Some days will be productive, while others are meant for rest—and that’s okay. Focus on what you can do rather than shaming yourself for what you can’t, and remember that progress is built through small, sustainable steps.

More about Destiny:

Destiny Davis, MS, LPC, CRC is a Licensed Professional Counselor and Certified Rehabilitation Counselor in private practice in Atlanta, Georgia. She specializes in helping people with invisible illnesses and disabilities navigate relationships and build meaningful lives using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and Somatic Experiencing approaches.

Destiny works with individuals and facilitates groups for adults, teens, and parents who want to strengthen their relationships with themselves, their families, and their communities. She created and facilitates Welcome to The Waiting Room, a membership community providing evidence-based, peer support for people with complex medical conditions.

As host of The Chronic Illness Therapists Podcast and leader of clinical consultation groups for medical professionals, Destiny bridges the gap between lived experience and clinical expertise in chronic illness care.

• Instagram: @the.chronicillnesstherapists
• Cohort Group page: revivepractice.com/chronic-illness-cohort
• Conference: chronicillnesstherapists.com

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In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Priyanka Rao talk about her journey from clinical work into the world of coaching, viral social media growth, and the permission to let your path evolve—especially as a late-diagnosed ADHDer.

Her authenticity, humor, and vulnerability about pivoting careers offers valuable insight for clinicians, entrepreneurs, and anyone feeling pressure to “stick to the plan.”

Here are 3 key takeaways:

1. Prioritize Authenticity Over Perfection: Showing up as your real self is what builds trust and genuine connection—whether you’re creating content, leading a group, or sitting one-on-one with a client.
2. Embrace the Pivot (without shame): It’s okay—and healthy—to follow what excites you, even if it means leaving behind something you once worked hard for. Letting go of “shoulds” and honoring your energy isn’t a failure; it’s necessary growth.
3. Impact Can Look Different: Transitioning to new modalities or scaling back can create a ripple effect—from helping more people at once to empowering others through your story. Your reach and impact aren’t limited to direct client hours.

Whether you’re managing a private practice, exploring entrepreneurship, or redefining your role entirely, give yourself the grace to evolve. Your journey doesn’t need to be linear or “by the book”—especially if leaning into your strengths and interests allows you to thrive and serve others more fully.

More about Priyanka:

Dr. Priyanka Rao—also known as Pri—is a Licensed Psychologist, executive coach, and founder of Asha Mental Health and Asha Coaching & Consulting. She specializes in adult ADHD and autism assessments and supports late-diagnosed professionals and entrepreneurs in building lives that work with their brains, not against them. A late-diagnosed ADHDer herself, she brings both clinical expertise and lived experience to everything she does.

• Instagram: instagram.com/ashacoach
• TikTok: tiktok.com/@ashacoach
• Website: asha-coaching.com/divergenttable

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In this episode, Patrick Casale and Elena Carroll, an Autistic content creator who’s inspiring many others on her journey of late-diagnosed autism, talk about her story of moving from New Zealand to Toronto and finding her voice as a writer and advocate for neurodivergent communities. This conversation highlights some powerful lessons for mental health professionals, neurodivergent individuals, and anyone passionate about inclusion.

Key Takeaways:

1. Unmasking and Self-Discovery is a Lifelong Process: Elena shares her experiences with late autism diagnosis, showing that it’s never too late to understand yourself and make space for authenticity—even if it means returning to and healing parts of your childhood.
2. Accommodations Are Not “Extras”—They’re Essentials: Both Patrick and Elena discuss the importance of embracing sensory tools, routines, and downtime as valid forms of self-care, not signs of weakness or “neediness.”
3. Community & Representation Matter: Finding others who share your experience makes a world of difference. Content creation and open conversation help others feel seen, reduce shame, and normalize diverse neurodivergent journeys.

If you’re looking to deepen your understanding of late-diagnosed autism and want a refreshing, vulnerable perspective on healing and self-acceptance, this episode is for you.

More about Elena:

I'm Elena. I was diagnosed Autistic at 25 after years of struggling with mental health challenges and receiving different diagnoses that didn’t quite fit. I always felt different growing up, but I spent most of my life working hard to appear “normal.” Now, at 29, I’m on a journey to undo more than two decades of masking and finally get to know my true self.

I recently moved from New Zealand to Toronto, Canada, and over the past 18 months, I’ve started creating content focused on neurodivergence and autism. This work has been incredibly healing for me and has helped me connect with others who share similar experiences. I’m also in the process of writing a book about what it’s like to be a late-diagnosed autistic woman, exploring all the complexities and discoveries along the way.

• Instagram: elenacarr0ll
• TikTok: elena__carroll
• YouTube: Elena Carroll

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In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Nathalie Edmond, psychologist, mindfulness expert, published author, and more, talk about her incredible journey publishing “Mindful Race Talk.” They dive into why honest, vulnerable conversations about race and identity are needed in every organization, how creative grit can see you through the ups and downs of self-publishing, and why balancing compassion with accountability truly matters. If you’re an entrepreneur or team leader committed to growth, this is your reminder: lean into the conversations that scare you, and turn your message into impact.

Here are 3 key takeaways:

1. Vulnerability is necessary for growth: Sharing your work—especially on tough topics—means navigating vulnerability, imperfection, and even critique. “How do I capture the way that I am in a workshop?” Nathalie asks. Authenticity shines when you let go of perfection.
2. Balance compassion with accountability: The “dance in between” is crucial. Effective anti-racism work isn’t about shaming or silencing—but meeting people with curiosity, compassion, and honest challenge, even when conversations get messy.
3. Creative projects bring new challenges and rewards: Self-publishing a book brought unexpected hurdles—especially in the final stages. But staying focused on impact, rather than perfection or popularity, drove Nathalie to push through.

More about Nathalie:

Dr. Nathalie Edmond is a licensed clinical psychologist and mindfulness and yoga teacher with over twenty years of experience as a trauma therapist integrating mind, body, and spirit. She has led hundreds of hours of racial literacy and antiracism workshops. She believes that racial justice is a spiritual practice. She has been a director of a women's trauma program, co-host of Rest and Awaken podcast, adjunct faculty, and a JEDI (justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion) consultant. She facilitates Antiracism Revolution, an online membership community where aspiring antiracists continue to explore themselves as racial beings and work towards collective liberation. She is the director of Villanova University's counseling center and the owner of a group practice called Mindful and Multicultural Counseling.

• Access all of Dr. Nathalie Edmond's resources here: linktr.ee/drnatedmond
• Dr. Nathalie Edmond's book: drnatedmond.com/mindful-race-talk-book.html

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Are you a therapist or entrepreneur feeling boxed in by traditional one-on-one client work?

In this episode, Patrick Casale and Gabrielle Juliano-Villani talk about the necessity of diversifying income for mental health professionals—especially those who are neurodivergent or just burned out by endless back-to-back sessions.

3 key takeaways:

1. Diversification = Freedom & Sustainability: For many of us, sticking to the same routine is draining. Multiple streams of income aren’t just exciting—they’re pivotal for staying creative, sustaining energy, and protecting your mental health.
2. Embrace Experimentation & Let Go of “Shoulds”: It's a journey. From group practice to online courses, coaching, or retreats, pivoting your career takes time, trial and error, and a willingness to release the pressure of how things "should" be done. Start small, experiment, and don’t be afraid to fail forward.
3. Authenticity Wins Over Vanity Metrics: Social media is full of smoke and mirrors. Real connection and engagement come from authentic storytelling—sharing self-doubt, being honest about the process, and tapping into the real transformation you offer, not flashy highlights.

More about Gabrielle:

Gabrielle Juliano-Villani is a licensed clinical social worker, consultant, coach, entrepreneur, and educator based in Sarasota, FL. She has been in the mental health field for over a decade specializing in stress, chronic health conditions, and trauma.

After realizing her own burnout in 2021, she sold her thriving group practice and made it her mission to educate others on the impact stress has on our everyday lives. Gabrielle pulls from her experience as an EMDR and Polyvagal Informed therapist to utilize mind/body approaches to help others implement everyday strategies to manage stress and live their best lives.

Gabrielle is an international speaker, retreat leader, and has been featured in Authority Magazine, The Daily Om, Bustle, and the Everyday Woman TV Network. When she's not working, Gabrielle is teaching Zumba, surfing, or reading a psychological thriller at the beach.

• Gabrielle's Website: gabriellejulianovillani.com

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Throughout your entrepreneurial journey, it's important to take moments to reflect on what you’ve built, where you’re heading, and what truly brings you energy. In this solo episode, I opened up about the messy magic of pivoting, evolving passions, and the vital importance of giving yourself permission to grow in new directions.

After years of building communities, running retreats around the globe, and coaching clinicians to “Doubt Yourself, Do It Anyway,” it’s clear that our journeys rarely go as planned. And that’s okay.

3 key takeaways:

1. It’s Normal for Passions to Evolve: If the spark fades or your interests shift, that’s not failure. Growth isn’t linear.
2. Zoom Out and Acknowledge Your Journey: Take time to recognize how far you’ve come, even if it feels like you’re standing still. Every pivot is part of your story.
3. Give Yourself Permission to Pause: It’s courageous to rest, reflect, and admit something no longer serves you. Grief and relief can coexist in letting go.

You’re not alone if you’re navigating uncertainty or sitting with grief about retiring some hard-won entrepreneurial roles. I’m right there with you—learning to honor my energy, trust intuition, and celebrate each imperfect step forward.

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