• Sharon Stone (Award-Winning Actress, Activist, & Painter) on Her Hollywood Journey (Part 2 of 2)
    Jul 3 2024

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    In Part 2 of this 2-part episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with the iconic Sharon Stone to discuss her journey through Hollywood, her experiences with fame, and her philanthropic endeavors. Stone shares personal stories about her rise to stardom, her approach to acting and producing, and lessons she has learned along the way.

    Basic Instinct (00:53)
    With the premiere of Basic Instinct at Cannes, Sharon Stone went from being a working actress to an international movie star. She discusses her experience at the Cannes Film Festival and describes the fan reaction and her sudden rise to fame.

    Navigating Fame (08:57)
    Sharon talks about preparing for red carpet events, and Kevin shares a story about what it was like to accompany Sharon in Cannes.

    Mentors in Hollywood (13:45)
    Sharon discusses the guidance she received from established actresses like Faye Dunaway, Shirley MacLaine, Diane Cannon, Angie Dickinson, and others who helped her with advice on the realities of fame.

    Producing and Casting Instincts (17:38)
    Sharon talks about her role in producing The Mighty. Kevin and Sharon discuss her eye for recognizing promising actors like Russell Crowe and Leonardo DiCaprio.

    Philanthropy and AIDS Advocacy (27:36)
    Sharon shares the origins of her involvement with amfAR and discusses the personal and professional impact of her advocacy work. Stone's commitment to AIDS advocacy showcases her willingness to use her platform for meaningful change, even at a potential cost to her career.

    Balancing Career and Authenticity (34:56)
    Sharon addresses misconceptions about being "difficult" in the industry and emphasizes her professionalism and work ethic on set.

    Parenting and Personal Growth (39:08)
    Sharon reflects on the challenges and rewards of being a parent and discusses the impact of parenthood on her personal development.

    In Part Two of this two-part interview, Sharon reveals the depth of her character beyond her silver screen persona. From her candid reflections on fame to her commitment to philanthropy, Stone shows how she uses her platform for good. Her friendship with Kevin Goetz adds a personal touch to the conversation. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!

    Host: Kevin Goetz
    Guest: Sharon Stone
    Producer: Kari Campano
    Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
    Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)

    For more information about Sharon Stone:
    Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Stone
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sharonstone/?hl=en
    IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0629334/

    For more information about Kevin Goetz:
    Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
    Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
    Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360
    Linked In @Kevin Goetz
    Screen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com

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    42 mins
  • Sharon Stone (Award-Winning Actress, Activist, & Painter) on Her Hollywood Journey (Part 1 of 2)
    Jun 19 2024

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    In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," Kevin Goetz sits down with his longtime friend, the legendary actress Sharon Stone. Sharon shares intimate stories about her upbringing, her journey into modeling and acting, and the challenges she has faced in the entertainment industry.

    Humble Beginnings (2:00)
    Sharon discusses her upbringing in the small farming community of Meadville, Pennsylvania, where her family struggled financially.

    A Painful Childhood Lesson (9:12)
    Sharon shares a painful childhood memory of being slapped by a popular girl in school, drawing parallels to the challenges she has faced in Hollywood. Kevin describes it as trying to “slap the different out of you,” and praises Sharon for persevering while opening herself up to criticism and ridicule.

    The Craft of Acting (12:13)
    Sharon and Kevin discuss her approach to acting and her preference for working with directors like Martin Scorcese in Casino, Paul Verhoeven in Basic Instinct, and Albert Brooks in The Muse, who prioritize the craft over ego. She stresses that she has never accepted a role solely for the money, always prioritizing the quality of the work.

    Fair Compensation (15:56)
    Sharon discusses the pay disparity between male and female actors in Hollywood, advocating for fair compensation. She highlights the importance of knowing her worth in the overall value of her films.

    The Magic of Movies (18:22)
    Sharon and Kevin talk about the importance of the moviegoing experience and the need for studio executives to understand the emotional connection people have with films. She stresses the significance of creating movies with emotional intelligence that evoke powerful emotions.

    From Small-Town Beauty Queen to Model (20:29)
    Sharon recounts her journey into modeling, starting with her participation in the Miss Crawford County pageant and her encounter with Muhammad Ali.

    Working with Woody Allen and James Caan (25:39)
    Sharon shares her experience getting her start as an extra on Woody Allen's Stardust Memories and how her part was expanded after impressing the director and cinematographer. She also discusses her instant rapport with James Caan on the set of a Claude Lelouch film.

    In Part One of this two-part interview, Sharon Stone opens up about her journey from being a studious, small-town girl to a Hollywood icon through talent, perseverance, and commitment to her craft. Through this candid conversation with her close friend, Kevin Goetz, listeners gain an intimate look at the person behind the persona. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!

    Host: Kevin Goetz
    Guest: Sharon Stone
    Producer: Kari Campano
    Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
    Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)

    For more information about Sharon Stone:
    Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Stone
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sharonstone/?hl=en
    IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0629334/

    For more information about Kevin Goetz:
    Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
    Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
    Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360
    Linked In @K

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    33 mins
  • McG (Acclaimed Director & Producer) on Directing Hollywood Blockbusters and the Power of Audience Research
    Jun 6 2024

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    In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," Kevin Goetz sits down with director and producer, Joseph McGinty Nichol, better known as McG. They discuss McG's journey in the entertainment industry, starting with music videos and leading to his directorial debut with Charlie's Angels, which had, at the time, the highest-grossing opening weekend for a directorial debut. Through his production company, Wonderland Sound and Vision, McG has overseen the production of films and television shows such as Terminator Salvation, This Means War, We Are Marshall, and Family Switch along with The OC, and Turner and Hooch for television. In this personal conversation, McG also touches on his struggles with agoraphobia, and the importance of audience feedback in the filmmaking process.

    First Time Director with a Huge Budget (1:39)
    McG shares his experience directing his first full-length feature film, Charlie's Angels, how Drew Barrymore helped him get the job, and how he nearly got fired multiple times due to the studio's concerns about the film's direction.

    Living with Agoraphobia and Panic Attacks (9:51)
    McG opens up about his struggles with agoraphobia, how it affected his career, including being fired from Superman Returns, and his path to live with the challenge.

    Music Videos and Style in Filmmaking (21:49)
    Kevin and McG discuss how music videos have influenced filmmakers like McG, Spike Jonze, Michael Bay, and David Fincher, helping them develop unique styles and voices in the industry.

    The Secret to Success: Audience Testing (24:08)
    McG reveals one of his secrets to success: working with Kevin Goetz and his audience testing process, which has helped him improve his films and connect with viewers.

    Incorporating Audience Feedback on We Are Marshall (29:48)
    McG recalls a specific audience feedback moment that led to a significant change in We Are Marshall, highlighting the importance of listening to, learning from, and respecting the audience.

    Mentors and Influences (36:37)
    McG discusses his primary filmmaking influences, including Alfred Hitchcock and Quentin Tarantino.

    Kevin Goetz and McG explore the director's journey in the entertainment industry, his personal struggles, and the importance of audience feedback in the filmmaking process. The interview highlights the unique bond between the filmmaker and the audience researcher, showcasing how their collaboration can elevate a film's success. The pair close by discussing McG’s upcoming projects, Way of the Warrior Kid and Uglies. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!

    Host: Kevin Goetz
    Guest: McG
    Producer: Kari Campano
    Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
    Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes, DG Entertainment

    For more information about McG:
    Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McG
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mcgfilm/
    IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0629334/

    For more information about Kevin Goetz:
    Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
    Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
    Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360
    Linked In @Kevin Goetz
    Screen Engine/ASI Website:

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    46 mins
  • Greg Foster (Former CEO of IMAX Entertainment, Industry Consultant) on Transforming IMAX, Working with Hollywood Legends, and the Future of Cinema
    May 15 2024

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    In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," Kevin Goetz sits down with Greg Foster, former CEO of IMAX Entertainment and current owner of the entertainment and media consulting firm, Foster + Crew. Foster grew up immersed in the world of Hollywood, with a father who was a successful film producer. This early exposure to the industry laid the foundation for Foster's career. From his childhood memories of rubbing elbows with Hollywood royalty, to his pivotal role in the evolution of IMAX, to his more recent experiences as a sought-after consultant, Foster shares insider stories along with a unique perspective on the business of moviemaking and the cinematic experience.

    Growing up in Hollywood and a memorable encounter with Mel Brooks (3:09)
    Foster discusses his upbringing in Beverly Hills and the influence of his father, David Foster, a successful film producer, on his career path. He recounts a memorable experience early in his career at MGM/UA, where he delivered test screening results to Mel Brooks for the movie Spaceballs.

    Steve McQueen, Ali MacGraw, and Greg’s Father (16:12)
    Foster shares a story about his father's involvement in the production of The Getaway, starring Steve McQueen and Ali MacGraw, and the confrontation that ensued when MacGraw's then-husband, Robert Evans, discovered the affair between the two stars.

    Apollo 13 and the evolution of IMAX (22:22)
    The pair discuss the transformation of IMAX to a premier movie experience. IMAX's 2002 re-release partnership with Apollo 13, originally produced in 1995 by Academy Award winner Brian Grazer and directed by Oscar winner Ron Howard, marked a turning point for the company. It was the first Hollywood movie to be digitally remastered using IMAX DMR technology, showcasing IMAX's ability to enhance the emotional experience of a film.

    Christopher Nolan and Batman Begins (29:15)
    Kevin and Greg talk about the critical role of Warner Bros. and Christopher Nolan in the growth of IMAX, particularly with the release of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

    Consulting with Foster + Crew (38:47)
    Greg shares insights into his consulting firm, Foster + Crew, and the various services he provides to his clients in the entertainment industry.

    The future of cinema in the streaming era (44:11)
    Kevin and Greg touch on the impact of streaming on the theatrical experience and the future of cinema, post COVID, Barbenheimer and the 2023 Hollywood strikes.

    From his early days at MGM/UA to his pivotal role in transforming IMAX into a global cinematic powerhouse, Foster's stories offer a fascinating glimpse into the evolving landscape of the film industry. Foster remains optimistic about the future of moviegoing, particularly with the impressive slate of films set for release in 2025. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!

    Host: Kevin Goetz
    Guest: Greg Foster
    Producer: Kari Campano
    Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano

    For more information about Greg Foster:
    Variety: https://variety.com/exec/greg-foster/

    For more information about Kevin Goetz:
    Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
    Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
    Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360
    Linked In @Kevin Goetz
    Screen Engine/ASI Website:

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    48 mins
  • Bill Block (Veteran Agent, Producer & Studio Head) on Audience Research, Film Financing, and the Impact of AI
    May 1 2024

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    In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," entertainment research expert Kevin Goetz engages in an insightful conversation with Bill Block, a renowned agent, executive producer, and former studio head. As a producer, Block played a pivotal role in the groundbreaking success of The Blair Witch Project. Block’s other films include the Oscar-nominated The Holdovers, Bad Moms, the critically acclaimed Fury, and the upcoming film Here starring Tom Hanks and Robin Wright. The pair delve into Block's remarkable career, the critical role of audience research in filmmaking, and the potential impact of artificial intelligence on the entertainment industry.

    Bill Block's background and early career (1:47)
    Bill shares his journey from starting as a secretary at the Irv Schechter agency to becoming a successful agent then moving on to form Artisan Entertainment.

    The acquisition of Live Entertainment and the success of The Blair Witch Project (7:12)
    Block shares the story behind the acquisition and distribution of The Blair Witch Project, a groundbreaking film that defied traditional marketing strategies and became a massive success.

    Using audience research to make decisions on the Halloween franchise reboot (15:37)
    Kevin and Bill discuss how audience research played a crucial role in the decision-making process for the Halloween franchise reboot.

    Navigating the complexities of film financing (24:37)
    Kevin and Bill discuss the financial deals behind Oliver Stone’s W., Bad Moms, and Jason Statham action films.

    Bill's insights on packaging and financing independent films (35:39)
    Block discusses the importance of attaching talent, securing presales, and finding the right equity partners to fill the financing gap. Block touches on films he has been involved with like Bad Moms, Fury, and Guy Ritchie’s The Gentleman.

    The potential impact of AI on the entertainment industry (41:19)
    Bill and Kevin explore the rapidly advancing world of artificial intelligence and its potential to disrupt the entertainment industry.

    Bill Block's extensive experience, combining financial expertise with respect for the audience, makes him an invaluable voice in the entertainment industry. His insights into the evolving landscape of film financing, distribution, and the integration of artificial intelligence demonstrate his ability to navigate the complexities of the business. His stories and observations, shared in this engaging conversation with Kevin, offer a fascinating glimpse into the future of filmmaking. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media.

    Next Guest: Greg Foster, Former CEO of IMAX Entertainment

    Host: Kevin Goetz
    Guest: Bill Block
    Producer: Kari Campano
    Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano

    For more information about Bill Block:
    IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1088848/
    Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Block
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bill-block-ba3525104

    For more information about Kevin Goetz:
    Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
    Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
    Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360
    Linked In @Kevin Goetz
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    46 mins
  • Carol Baum (Veteran Studio Executive and Producer) on the Art of Creative Producing
    Apr 17 2024

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    (Recorded December 2023)
    In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with veteran producer Carol Baum, whose impressive career includes working with Hollywood icons such as Dolly Parton, Barbara Streisand, Robert De Niro, Zendaya, and Steve Martin. Carol shares stories and insights from her decades in the film industry, discussing her work on memorable films like "Father of the Bride," "The Good Girl," "Dead Ringers," and "Flyaway Home." She also shares candid experiences as a studio executive at Fox and Lorimar, where she developed classic films like "Officer and a Gentleman" and "The Dead Zone." With the recent release of her book, "Creative Producing," Carol provides a wealth of knowledge for aspiring filmmakers and industry professionals.

    Carol’s Early Career and Education (07:42)
    Carol discusses her early career, how a girl from South Orange, New Jersey with no Hollywood connections landed a job in publishing at Bantam Books, where she discovered "The Autobiography of Malcolm X" and how she went on to produce classic movies.

    Studio Executive Roles (24:28)
    As a studio executive, Carol worked with Jon Peters' company, where she learned the importance of a positive work environment. She then moved on to Fox, working under Joe Wizan, and experienced a culture shift when Larry Gordon and Scott Rudin joined the studio. At Lorimar, Carol developed classic films such as "An Officer and a Gentleman" and "The Dead Zone."

    Father of the Bride, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Sandollar Productions (30:17)
    Carol shares stories of working with Sandy Gallin and Dolly Parton at Sandollar Productions where she produced successful films like "Father of the Bride" and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" while collaborating with Howard Rosenman.

    Creative Producing (38:10)
    Carol discusses her book, Creative Producing, where she emphasizes the importance of the development process and working closely with writers to refine scripts and make them better.

    Working with Stars Like Barbara Streisand, Steve Martin, and a Young Zendaya (42:53)
    Carol shares her love for actors and their role in getting projects made. She considers Anthony Hopkins one of the greatest living actors and recounts her experiences working with Barbara Streisand, Steve Martin, and a young Zendaya.

    Carol Baum's love for movies shines through and shows why she is so valuable to the film industry. Her willingness to share her experiences and lessons in this episode as well as in her book, Creative Producing, are sure to inspire and guide countless filmmakers If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!

    Host: Kevin Goetz
    Guest: Carol Baum
    Producer: Kari Campano
    Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano

    For more information about Carol Baum:
    IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0062071/
    Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Baum
    Website: https://www.carolfriedlandbaum.com/

    For more information about Kevin Goetz:
    Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
    Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
    Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360
    Linked In @Kevin Goetz
    Screen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com

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    48 mins
  • Melva Benoit (Veteran Entertainment Researcher/Strategist) on the Intersection of Television, Audience Research, and Marketing
    Apr 4 2024

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    In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with Melva Benoit, founder and president of the Marian Dupree Group. A trailblazer in research and consumer insights, Benoit has held senior executive positions in major media companies including Viacom, Disney, Turner, NBC Universal, and Fox. Together, they delve into her rich background in television market research, discussing her unique insights and experiences in the entertainment industry.

    Benoit's Early Career (06:01)
    Growing up in Houston, Texas, Benoit developed a love for television and aspired to be in charge of Saturday morning cartoons. She attended Howard University and began her career in research at King World, eventually moving to Cartoon Network and Comedy Central.

    The Role of Research in Television (09:55)
    Benoit explains the three main functions of research within media institutions: keeping the lights on, taking requests, and anticipating stakeholders' needs. She emphasizes the importance of research teams contributing to meetings even when there isn't a direct need for research.

    Analyzing Successful TV Shows – Seinfeld, Friends, and South Park (20:08)
    Benoit discusses the testing and success of shows like Seinfeld (20:08), Friends (23:57), and South Park (40:26). She highlights the importance of understanding how audiences learn to watch and relate to characters in television shows.

    The Changing Landscape of Media (27:47)
    The pair discuss the importance of the audience and the challenges of targeted advertising and the need for a more nuanced approach to understanding audiences.

    Reframing Audience Measurement (29:20)
    Goetz and Benoit discuss a new way of looking at marketing to consumers, focusing on shared attitudes, behaviors, and values rather than solely relying on demographic information. They emphasize the importance of reaching diverse audiences and the need for the advertising industry to adapt to this new way of thinking.

    Melva Benoit's insights into the world of television market research shed light on the complex relationship between content creators, audiences, and advertisers. By advocating for a more nuanced understanding of entertainment consumers and embracing the changing media landscape, Benoit and Goetz offer a unique vision for the future of the industry. This engaging conversation highlights the importance of adaptability, creativity, and audience-centric thinking in the changing media landscape. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!

    Host: Kevin Goetz
    Guest: Melva Benoit
    Producer: Kari Campano
    Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano

    For more information about Melva Benoit:
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melvabenoit/
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/MelvagBenoit
    The Marian Dupree Group, Inc. https://linkedin.com/company/the-marian-dupree-group-llc/

    For more information about Kevin Goetz:
    Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
    Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
    Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360
    Linked In @Kevin Goetz
    Screen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com

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    45 mins
  • Colleen Camp (Actress and Producer) on Longevity as a Hollywood Chameleon
    Mar 20 2024

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    Host and entertainment research expert Kevin Goetz sits down with the multi-talented Colleen Camp. With a career spanning 6 decades in acting and over 2 decades in producing, Colleen is a true force in the entertainment industry. She has graced the screen in over 150 roles, including memorable performances in films like Clue, Die Hard with a Vengeance, Wayne's World, Election, and American Hustle. As a producer, Colleen has helped bring over 25 titles to life, showcasing her passion and dedication to the craft of filmmaking.

    Current Projects and Cinema Landscape (1:40)
    Colleen discusses her recent producing projects, including the films At the Gates and Day of the Fight, and the challenges of distribution in the current landscape.

    The Art of Character Development (16:21)
    Kevin and Colleen explore the significance of rhythm and accents in defining characters, drawing upon examples from Colleen's diverse acting roles. They discuss how these elements contribute to the authenticity and depth of a performance, allowing actors to fully embody their characters and captivate audiences.

    Lessons from Legendary Directors (11:28)
    Colleen shares lessons learned from collaborating with renowned directors such as Peter Bogdanovich, Francis Ford Coppola, Jonathan Lynn, and David O. Russell. She reflects on the insights gained from working with these industry giants, emphasizing the importance of adaptability, trust, and creative synergy between actors and directors.

    Navigating Nudity in Film (32:30)
    The conversation touches on Colleen's experience portraying a Playboy bunny in the iconic film Apocalypse Now. She candidly discusses her thoughts on nudity in film, the challenges faced by actors in such roles, and the evolution of attitudes towards on-screen intimacy over the years.

    Standout Films of the Awards Season (54:13)
    Kevin and Colleen engage in a lively discussion about the standout films from the current awards season, with a particular focus on The Holdovers and Oppenheimer.

    Supporting Emerging Talent (59:41)
    Colleen emphasizes the importance of supporting emerging filmmakers and the need for diverse, quality films to be distributed and celebrated. She stresses the significance of nurturing new voices in the industry and the role that established professionals can play in mentoring and advocating for up-and-coming talent.

    Colleen Camp's passion for the entertainment industry shines through in this engaging conversation. Her ability to transform as an actress and her commitment to producing meaningful films make her a true treasure in the world of cinema. As an advocate for emerging talent and a believer in the power of the theatrical experience, Colleen continues to make a significant impact on the industry. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media.

    Host: Kevin Goetz
    Guest: Colleen Camp
    Producer: Kari Campano
    Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano

    For more information about Colleen Camp:
    Rotten Tomatoes: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/colleen_camp
    Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colleen_Camp
    IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0131974/

    For more information about Kevin Goetz:
    Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
    Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
    Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @Kev

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    53 mins