From a conversation about marriage—both between their own parents and Allen’s, the boys break down love always having the capacity to exist, despite all obstacles including separations. What their boundaries (or lack thereof) have looked like in their previous relationships. And how sometimes burning a bridge might be necessary? Then the boys switch subjects and talk about the origin or art. Do all things have the potential to be recognized as art? What’s NOT art? And after diving into all the approaches to creating it—how do we manage to make it matter? Then Allen gives his campaign speech to run for Senate--(not really) in this diatribe about the war on drugs and what he believes our country needs to do in order to fix it's inherent problem. Would you vote for him? We sure hope not.

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