FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 18th of May 2024, 15u, at O. festival in Rotterdam.

For each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:45) Ali [°2001 - Istanbul, TR] on the feeling of being tricked, earlier that day. Why do you have to do that?

(07:55) Barbara [°1980 - Breukelen, NL] on where it started: not being taken seriously. Never, by her parents, in anything. "I get your sister, she is like me. But you, I don't get."

(11:36) Stef [°1995 - Almere, NL] on how zero responsibility lies on his shoulders. And how that is not necessarily a good thing. On the military, on not having family, or the possibility to have kids, and friendships in which your friends are more important to you than you to them. "It's weird because noone is doing anything bad to me. But it feels like I don't matter."

And the most desired responsibility: a free school for the arts. "I was supposed to die a few times, went to art school, and that's the best thing I ever did, in this world."

(17:37) Karin Charlotte [° - Sachsen, East-DE] speaks from her lifetime in the former DDR. On the valuing of life, nature and children vs. destructive powers towards those entities. "How can you allow yourself to be pregnant?" of a third child. How does valuing show? "When I can stand up."

(22:09) Chris [°1985 - Lelystad, NL] asks Marleen what he can practically do, feeling powerless as a white heterosexual male.

(24:30) Marleen had a partner who told her not to study literature, because "it was a stupid choice, it won't bring you money." Even graduating cum laude does not mean anything in that field.

"It's better now, but it's not. But something is happening. Look at you, asking me what to do."

(28:57) Tina [°1954 - Indonesia] speaks in the language of her mother, Dutch. Her mother is still alive in her, and gave her life to her family. "Mom, you did so well!" Giving me all freedom, without any pressure to e.g. create grandchildren. "Go do your thing!"

(29:11) Maaike brought her kid to school and was stopped by one teacher to enter the schoolyard to say goodbye to her child. "I was actually angry, but you have to be polite, you can't be the over-concerned hysterical mother. And a dad can just walk in with his child. I felt paternalised, like I was an obnoxious idiot." And how to deliver your message as a woman.

(36:48) What do you deserve? What all people deserve: to be free and be seen without being judged on superficial things - The sadness: that this is the hardest question.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

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