FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions. This episode was recorded on the 18th of May 2024, 20u, at O. festival in Rotterdam.

For each episode, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

In this episode:

(01:35) Madelief [°2007 - Shanghai, CN] on a colleague, sinking down to his knees to get to eye level. And real guy friends, who prefer to chat with other guys than to sit with Madelief.

(05:02) Salomé [°1977 - Amstelveen, NL] is short and blond. A busdriver spelled out "this bus is going to the u-ni-ver-si-ty" to her. On surprising and countering people. "There is more to her than you see".

(08:05) Lindertje [°1986 - Hoorn, NL] on men, coming to her after her performances, commenting: your body is amazing. "All the other things were less impressive than my body." Not the artwork. On people who don't believe she creates her own performances. Andrea asks -for a friend- how to bring it across, that you are making your own work.

(14:00) Ellen [°1982 - Voorburg, NL] is a medical anthropologist. She writes when she wants to be heard. On a history of being tested and having to prove yourself. On being seen as the vessel of your baby, by a gynecologist, not having a say in how to give birth. "I looked at the literature and wrote a 5-page letter with all studies attached." After which she got granted decision-making power. "I wish I would have been able to just focus on being pregnant."

(20:12) Andy [°1986 - California, USA] "Andy is an ambiguous name: ‘Oh, I thought you were going to be a man.’ I would like to people not be disappointed by seeing me show up." And receiving unwanted advise from a male professor on interviewing subjects for research: "wear make up, be pleasant, accommodating and genuinely interested in the other person."

(24:40) What do you deserve? You may want everything you want. Respect: no one should forget Respect. To know that you matter, regardless of people's gendered expectations.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Intern: Tor Lindquist

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

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