• Episode 74 (S3E19) - Piccolo Jr Manga Review
    Sep 24 2024

    Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball by jumping into comparing the Dragon Ball anime to the Dragon Ball manga. We continue discussing Piccolo Jr arc, and talk about Goku's character growth.

    In this episode:

    • Jelli and Bekinney are almost back to their ship
    • We recap the story a little bit
    • Goku's character growth from being overly impetuous and rash to a little more measured and intentional with his fights and how this is doled out over thousands of pages, making it subtle
    • How Goku becomes the stand-in for Sun Wukong and Xuanzang as the series progresses and that feeding into his character development meant
    • Brief discussion of Toriyama's editors as the series progressed
    • A callback to Jelli's theory about the gods being like middle management
    • Comparing the manga to the anime, as we do when we wrap up an arc
    • and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual

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    55 mins
  • Episode 73 (S3E18) - Bansho Fan Filler
    Sep 10 2024

    Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball by breaking down episodes 149, 150, 151, 152, and 153: "Dress in Flames," "The Fire-Eater," "Outrageous Octagon," "Mystery of the Dark World," and "The End, The Beginning." We continue discussing the Piccolo Jr. Saga, and talk about the filler that ends the original Dragon Ball series.

    In this episode:

    • Jelli and Bekinney are trying to get back to their ship and escape
    • We recap the episodes and discuss our favorite moments
    • Some notes on our assumptions when it comes to breaking down these episodes
    • Talking about Azuchi Castle, Oda Nobunaga, the FX series Shogun, and Octagons
    • The Basan, Japan's legendary fire bird, similar to a phoenix and how the Pokemon Moltres took inspiration from this as well
    • Hakkakke's name, meaning literally chipped-tooth
    • The yuki-onna, or Snow Woman, a yokai of Japanese folklore
    • A brief tangent into Kwaidan, Tales from the Darkside and Akira Kurosawa's Dreams
    • The five elements of Chinese and Japanese culture and how they compare to the four elements of Western thought
    • The Bansho Fan and its inspirations from the Banana Leaf Fan of Journey to the West
    • A discussion of Daode Tianzun, one of the Three Pure Ones of orthodox Daoism and his connections to Journey to the West, Laozi, and Annin
    • and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual

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    1 hr and 1 min
  • Episode 72 (S3E17) - 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Finals
    Aug 27 2024

    Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball by breaking down episodes 144, 145, 146, 147, and 148: "Super Kamehameha," "Junior No More," "Goku's Trap," "Goku Hangs On," and "The Victor." We continue discussing the Piccolo Jr. Saga, and talk about the ending of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. We wrap up our last mystery reveals, and spend some time talking about Piccolo's regeneration ability.

    In this episode:

    • Jelli and Bekinney are trying to get back to their ship
    • We recap the episodes and discuss our favorite moments
    • Some notes on weighted clothing
    • Goku's abs
    • A discussion on the use of nuclear blast imagery
    • Piccolo vs Piccolo Jr vs Piccolo Daimao vs Demon King Piccolo - What's the difference?
    • The announcer's actions are inspired by kaiju cinema, especially Godzilla movies like King Kong vs Godzilla
    • Piccolo's size growth is both a role reversal from the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai when Goku went Oozaru to fight Roshi and a reference to both Ultraman and Super Sentai (aka Power Rangers)
    • Goku's trip into Piccolo's mouth and a parallel to Journey to the West
    • Goku's surprise reveal that he can fly
    • Why Kami can create clothes from nothing
    • Discussion on Piccolo's regeneration
    • and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual

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    54 mins
  • Episode 71 (S3E16) - 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Semifinals and Kami
    Aug 13 2024

    Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball by breaking down episodes 140, 141, 142 and 143: "Goku Gains Speed," "The Four Faces of Tien," "Kami vs Piccolo," and "Battle for the Future." We continue discussing the Piccolo Jr. Saga, and talk about Kami, who he is, what his goals are, and whether he's bad at his job.

    In this episode:

    • Jelli and Bekinney are attempting to relax
    • We recap the episodes and discuss our favorite moments
    • Some notes on weighted clothing
    • A discussion of the Namekian language
    • All things Kami
    • Why Kami looks like Piccolo
    • Why Kami's design is the way it is
    • What the name Kami means
    • The importance of kami in Shintoism
    • The significance of the titles Kami-sama and Chikyu no Kami
    • The introduction of the bureaucracy of Dragon Ball's afterlife
    • How this all differ from Judeo-Christian beliefs in God
    • Thoughts and discussion about whether Kami, as "guardian of the Earth" is bad at his job
    • and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual

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    47 mins
  • Episode 70 (S3E15) - 23rd Tenkaichi Budoaki Round of 8
    Jul 30 2024

    Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball by breaking down episodes 136, 137 and 138 : "Tien Shinhan vs Mercenary Tao," "Anonymous Proposal," and "THe Mysterious Hero." ...and the Jelli realizes he wanted to do one more, so we also cover episode 139, "Rematch." We continue discussing the Piccolo Jr. Saga, and talk about characters chasing Goku in his growth.

    In this episode:

    • Jelli and Bekinney make a final approach to a new planet
    • We recap the episodes and discuss our favorite moments
    • Why Tsuru Senin suddenly reappears now
    • Theorizing on the training of Yamcha, Krillin, Tien Shinhan, and Chiaotzu
    • A note about love angles in Dragon Ball and the push-pull between Toriyama and Torishima
    • More about Tien's tenme
    • Ties between Tao Pai Pai and Ultraman, Kamen Rider, and Enter the Dragon
    • Briefly delving into Tien's lifelong scar received from this battle and whether we want to draw a correlation between Vegeta's now-infamous consistently injured left arm.
    • Talking about the significance of Chi Chi withholding her name
    • Ties between Piccolo and tokusatsu
    • Jelli takes a totally unusual (sarcasm) side trek into kaiju fandom with a parallel between Shen (Kami's human vessel) and Ichiro Arishima's character Mr Tako from King Kong vs. Godzilla and Japan's salary man culture
    • We talk about the sokidan
    • An interesting corollary between the anime's use of the movie Zu, Warriors from the Magic Mountain, and Toriyama's own use of a motif from the film
    • Talking about whether Piccolo's disguise is acceptable
    • A brief discussion of the history of wolves in Japan, including a mention of Haiyao Miyazaki's Princess Mononoke, and its inspirations from the Emishi people and their conquest by the Yamato tribe, and how the movie draws on the Meiji restoration policy of slaughtering wolves in order to stem the spread of rabies throughout Japan
    • A brief discussion of whether Yamcha, Krillin, Ten Shinhan, and Chiaotzu being stated as having trained with Korin and likely drinking the various divine waters undermines Goku's accomplishments in having done so.
    • and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual

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    49 mins
  • Episode 69 -Nice- (S3E14) 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Begins
    Jul 16 2024

    Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball by breaking down episodes 133, 134, and 135: "Changes," "Preliminary Peril," and "Battle of the Eight." We continue discussing the Piccolo Jr. Saga, and talk about consistency of character development

    In this episode:

    • Bekinney is crawling around the duct work while Jelli "encourages" him
    • We recap the episodes and discuss our favorite moments
    • Some notes about the tournament as a whole and our new Budokai Tenkaichi theme: Mysteries
    • The significance of everyone's outfit changes: Goku exemplifying his connection to nature, Chiaotzu and Tien exemplifying their commitment to their own values instead of Crane Hermit's, Yamcha's new scars, and Krillin's relative lack of change
    • A note about the shift in tone and style
    • A discussion of whether the change is a good thing (it is)
    • A whole bunch of word play with paper, god, kami, and drawing lotteries or fortunes, and Toriyama's subversion of expectations
    • A probably longer-than-necessary discussion of Piccolo saving two children
    • A detour into the world of WWE, including the films The Wrestler, and Iron Claw.
    • and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual

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    46 mins
  • Episode 68 (S3E13) Mr. Popo's Training
    Jul 2 2024

    Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball by breaking down episodes 128, 129, 130, 131, and 132: "Secret of the Woods," "The Time Room," "Goku's Doll," "Walking Their Own Ways," and "Hotter than Lava." We continue discussing the Piccolo Jr. Saga, and talk about another controversial Dragon Ball topic: Filler

    In this episode:

    • Jelli and Bekinney are heading to a new planet
    • We recap the episodes and discuss our favorite moments
    • Some notes about the episode Quicker than Lightning, on the character of Chuu Lee, and the Sacred Crown (more on this later)
    • Talking about delicious desserts, and the cream puff franchise Beard Papa's
    • A brief note on the Japanese custom of Yaochun
    • Why The Time Room episode doesn't work for us
    • Possible inspiration behind Goku's Doll from the Phantos as seen in Super Mario Bros. 2 (or Doki Doki Panic)
    • A brief history of Doki Doki Panic, how it became Super Mario Bros. 2, and its connection to the 1987 festival: Yume Kojo 87
    • A brief note on the Odango Hairstyle sported by the Street Fighter character Chun Li (as well as many other kawai anime girls)
    • An in-depth discussion of Sun Wukong's golden headband, and whether it matters that Goku does not have this feature
    • Why we're not going to talk about Kami-sama, Piccolo Jr, the dragon being repaired, or other items that are debuted in these episodes...yet
    • Jelli crams in Godzilla references by brining both Godzilla Minus One and Shin Godzilla to the table
    • and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual

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    59 mins
  • Episode 67 (S3E12) The Mr. Popo Episode
    Jun 18 2024

    Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball by breaking down episodes 125, 126, and 127, , "Earth's Guardian Emerges," "Eternal Dragon Resurrected," and "Quicker than Lightning." We continue discussing the Piccolo Jr. Saga, and talk about one of Dragon Ball's most controversial topics: Mr. Popo.

    In this episode:

    • Jelli and Bekinney are cataloging a new species
    • We recap the episodes and discuss our favorite moments
    • Trigger warning: This episode contains in-depth discussion of racial stereotypes and problematic depictions of people of color. While it is only our intention to discuss and educate, and not at all to condone, there are non-flinching discussions of potentially upsetting items.
    • Why we're not going to talk about Kami-sama, Piccolo Jr, the dragon being repaired, or other items that are debuted in these episodes...yet
    • Then we do it, we talk about Mr. Popo
    • First, we contextualize his appearance using the setting and similar characters in 1001 Arabian Nights
    • Then, we discuss the story of Little Black Sambo, and its popularity throughout the world and in Japan
    • We talk about minstrel history
    • We discuss whether Mr Popo is a problem
    • Jelli crams in Godzilla references by brining both Godzilla Minus One and Shin Godzilla to the table
    • and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual

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    1 hr and 4 mins