In today’s episode of BEYOND LEANING IN, we listen to an excerpt from the book following  Amber as she finds herself at a neighbor barbecue in a conversation about the risks that women are constantly calculating in their heads. Spoiler alert: The women at the BBQ don’t feel the same way as the men. Then Melanie sits down with a former college classmate, certified psychologist Dr. Huong Diep, who works with BIPOC and LGBTQ communities and specializes in global mental health, to talk about the concept of mental chatter. They discuss what mental chatter is, just how common it is, why women and people of color often have an extra layer, how it connects to imposter syndrome and how Dr. Diep helps her clients recognize mental chatter and combat its negative effects. Join this conversation now!

Welcome to BEYOND LEANING IN, a podcast designed to inspire candid discussion about gender gaps in the workplace. All too often, the “real talk” about the challenges that professional women face happens behind closed doors. Author Melanie Ho is on a mission to change that through her new book, BEYOND LEANING IN. She is joined in this podcast by co-host Carla Hickman as the two longtime friends discuss the ideas and research that inform Melanie’s book. You will also be invited to listen and join the conversation with early readers, women and men across generations and a wide range of professions, as they reflect, discuss and debate the ideas in the book. Also, don’t forget to get a copy of BEYOND LEANING IN in any of its formats, now available on Amazon. 

Resources

How Reading Fiction Increases Empathy and Encourages Understanding

Training to Stop Anti-Asian/Amerian and Xenophobic Harassment

Get the book Beyond Leaning In by Melanie Ho

See and share Melanie’s 31 Days of #BeyondLeaningIn Webcomics 

Follow Melanie Ho on Instagram or Twitter

Follow Carla Hickman on Instagram or Twitter

Thanks for joining us today! Don’t forget to visit our website for more information, and feel free to reach out to contribute to these important discussions. This show has been produced by StudioPod Media. 

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(01:52) - Book Excerpt: Amber finds herself in a conversation about the risks women are constantly on guard about - “In the workplace, you didn't have to worry about whether someone was going to slip something in your coffee, or if a potential perpetrator was hiding behind a corner, most of the time anyway, but you still had to be constantly on your guard.”

(08:10) - Dr. Huong Diep on mental chatter - “Definitely for marginalized communities, that chatter is much louder and oftentimes that's what leads to additional fatigue.”

(11:46) - Good mental chatter and bad mental chatter - “Our brains are...