🧩 Season Theme: Hungry
As we enter the home stretch of this season, the conversations get even more honest. “Hungry” has always been about the things we long for connection, clarity, purpose and this episode lands right in that space.

👣 Guest Introduction:
My guest this week is Jonathan McLean, a true “Why” guy. He’s the kind of person who isn’t afraid to ask the deeper questions and follow them wherever they lead. Our conversation begins in a vulnerable place: the hunger to be seen, heard, and loved by those closest to us. Jonathan opened up about his relationship with his father and the ache that comes from waiting for someone to reach out. It’s something I relate to and maybe you do too.

The title Chicken Or Fish comes right out of Jonathan’s world at Osprey Guide. He shared a powerful picture: the osprey, a bird that doesn’t play it safe. It dives headfirst into cold, deep, messy water to get what it needs. It goes all in, even when it’s uncomfortable. Because staying stuck scared, hesitant, and frozen like a chicken never gets you fed.

That became the heart of our conversation:
Are you diving into the life that’s meant for you?
Or are you standing on the shore, afraid of the water?

We explore what it means to be truly seen, the weight we carry when success doesn’t feel aligned, and the pain of longing for connection from someone who never quite reaches back. And near the end, Jonathan leads us into something I don’t think has ever happened on the show before an exercise you’re invited to do with us. It’s simple, grounding, and surprisingly emotional.

Jonathan’s work centers on helping people understand their wiring through Human Design and step into their lives with clarity and courage. If you’ve felt “successfully stuck,” overwhelmed, or shaped by the expectations of others, his approach may hit home.

💡 Episode Highlights:

• The osprey metaphor: choosing courage over fear
• Jonathan’s deep hunger for connection with his father
• What it means to feel seen and understood
• The weight we carry when success doesn’t feel aligned
• A first-time-on-the-show guided exercise

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🧩 Season Theme: Hungry
This season leans into the places where our cravings, choices, and deeper longings collide. It’s about the things we chase, the stories we tell ourselves, and the hunger literal and not that shapes who we become.

👣 Guest Introduction:
Ana Reisdorf has spent more than 15 years helping people understand their relationship with health, weight, and nutrition. Early in her career, she worked closely with patients preparing for bariatric surgery and saw the impact of steady, informed support. In the last decade, she’s shifted into content strategy, helping brands share evidence-based nutrition in a space full of noise.

Her latest work, GLP-1 Hub, is where her personal experience, professional expertise, and heart for helping others all meet. As a dietitian who has used GLP-1 medications herself, she saw how much confusion was out there. So she built a place where experts MDs, RDs, and other health pros offer clear, trustworthy guidance for anyone navigating these medications and the weight-loss journey that often comes with them.

Ana joins us to talk about “the shot,” the hope people bring to it, the misconceptions that get in the way, and what lasting change can actually look like.

💡 Episode Highlights:

• Her personal experience with GLP-1 medications
• Why so many people struggle to get sustainable results
• The myths and misunderstandings that often derail progress
• Practical steps for anyone considering or already using GLP-1 treatments

🔗 Connect with Ana Reisdorf, MS, RD:
Website: https://glp1hub.com
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61569601379458

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🧩 Season Theme: Hungry
This season explores hunger not just for food, but for belonging, purpose, identity, and healing. Hunger shows us what we’re still carrying and what we keep feeding.

👣 With Thanksgiving almost here, it’s natural to think about who’ll be gathering around your table. But today’s conversation asks a deeper question: Who have you been allowing to sit at your table that shouldn’t be there anymore?

Are shame, loneliness, depression, or “not enough” still claiming a seat?

Sometimes the most healing words we can hear are: “It’s not your fault.”
But many of us keep serving ourselves the same old, moldy dish called “It’s still your fault.”

My guest today, Wes Woodson, knows that battle well. Wes is a mental health advocate and speaker whose story helps make conversations about anxiety, confidence, and self-worth feel human, honest, and approachable. You can learn more about him here:

💡 Episode Highlights:

• Who truly belongs at your table and who doesn’t
• Why hearing “it’s not your fault” can be life-changing
• How to stop feeding yourself old stories that keep you stuck
• The cost of staying where you’re tolerated instead of celebrated
• The quiet ways we disrespect ourselves—and how to stop
• How to gather evidence that you are enough
• Wes’s journey from anxiety to purpose
• A powerful perspective from Louie Giglio on identity and worth

🎥 Louie Giglio’s Talk:
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🍽️ Season Theme: Hungry
This season, we’re exploring what it means to be hungry not just for food, but for purpose, meaning, connection, and identity. Hunger drives us, defines us, and sometimes exposes what’s really missing inside.

👣 Guest Introduction:
Have you ever tried eating alone in a restaurant no phone, no music, just you and your thoughts? It’s harder than it sounds. I’ve been testing that lately during my lunch breaks, realizing how uncomfortable it can feel to just be with myself. My guest today, Constance Curtis, knows exactly why that discomfort shows up and how to move through it.

Constance is a transformational coach and entrepreneur with over two decades of experience helping people align with their purpose, break through limiting beliefs, and live with authenticity. After building multiple businesses and walking through her own reinventions, she now guides entrepreneurs, leaders, and creatives who feel stuck or disconnected.

Her approach? Grounded, no-fluff transformation that blends mindset shifts with real strategy. Together, we dive into what it takes to stop seeking external validation and start finding it within.

💡 Episode Highlights:

What external validation really costs and how to find worth from within

How to release what no longer serves you and reconnect with your purpose

The messy, beautiful process of real growth

Why alignment matters more than achievement

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🎙 Plant & Grow 🌱

Thanksgiving isn’t just about full plates 🦃🍽️
it’s about roots the kind we grow on purpose 🌾

The soil remembers every hand that turned it 🤲
every hope tucked beneath chilly November ground 🍂

Some seasons feed us 🥕
Some seasons stretch us 🌿
And hunger?
It’s not always a rumble in the stomach
sometimes it’s the deep ache to become
who we’re meant to be 🌱✨

In backyards and borrowed plots 🏙️🪴
growth insists on showing up
even where concrete thought it had the last word.

One seed can feed a home 🌰🏡
One tree can shade generations 🌳👨‍👩‍👧‍👦
And one hungry heart
can shift a broken system,
starting right where it stands 💪🌍

So this Thanksgiving 🍁
as we pass the mashed potatoes and gratitude 🥔❤️
may we plant new stories too
for the selves we’re becoming
and the gardens waiting to rise 🌷🙌

👣 Guest Introduction:
Meet Greg Peterson The Urban Farmer 🌿🏡
For over 32 years, Greg turned a simple quarter-acre yard in Phoenix into a flourishing food forest 🌳🥭🍊
He has taught thousands to grow food, save seeds, and rebuild their connection to the earth 🌎💧

His question changes everything:
“What if there was a garden and fruit tree in every yard?” 🍎🌳✨

Today we talk soil, seeds, identity, and why growing food might just be the most hopeful thing you can do.

💡 Episode Highlights:

Hunger beyond food — what really fills us 🍽️➡️❤️

Greg’s early love for growing things 🐟🌱

The wake-up call about our fragile food system ⚠️🥫

Turning a yard into a food forest 🌳🌻

Permaculture + changing how we see the world 🔄🍃

Why seeds and community matter 🌾🤝

Easy steps to start growing today 🚿🪴🌞

🔗 Connect with Greg Peterson:
🌐 Website: https://www.urbanfarm.org
📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/urbanfarmu/
🎧 Podcast: UrbanFarmPodcast.com
🌱 Seeds: GreatAmericanSeedUp.org

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🎙 Episode Title: Unwanted

🧩 Season Theme: Hungry
This season explores different kinds of hunger both literal and metaphorical. From struggles with food to deeper cravings for purpose, fulfillment, and connection, we’re diving into stories that truly nourish the soul.

👣 Guest Introduction:
I’ve got to admit when I first heard that today’s guest, Christi Kelsey, had a connection to Duke University (her husband works at the Duke Cancer Center in Durham, North Carolina), I hesitated.
If you know me, you know where my loyalties lie. Around here, Duke and UNC aren’t just schools they’re archenemies. The rivalry runs deep, and sometimes, honestly, it can cloud how we see people on the “other side.”

But as I sat with it, I realized something: the greatest rivalries often happen much closer to home. Sometimes the fiercest opponent isn’t wearing a different shade of blue it’s the face staring back at us in the mirror.

That’s what this episode is really about.

Christi is a nutrition coach, cancer survivor, and women’s health advocate who knows what it feels like to feel unwanted—by your body, your circumstances, or your reflection. After two cancer diagnoses and years of fighting her body, Christi learned how to stop seeing herself as the enemy and start treating her body as an ally.

Now she helps women over 40 break free from the guilt, restriction, and all-or-nothing mindset that keep them stuck. Her approach isn’t about diets it’s about dignity, strength, and learning to make peace with yourself.

💡 Episode Highlights:

How cancer transformed Christi’s relationship with her body

The connection between rivalry, identity, and self-image

Why guilt and restriction never lead to freedom

How to build sustainable habits that actually last

What it means to nourish yourself instead of punish yourself

How to make peace with your body no jersey required

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🎙 Golden Ticket

🧩 Season Theme: Hungry
This season, we’re exploring what it means to be hungry not just for food, but for purpose, meaning, connection, and identity. Hunger can drive us, define us, and sometimes destroy us. But it also reveals what truly satisfies the soul.

👣 Guest Introduction:
Remember Charlie Bucket from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory the kid who found the Golden Ticket and got a glimpse behind the gates of wonder? This episode plays with that same idea, but through the story of Charles Fernández, a two-time Olympian from Guatemala who discovered that the real “golden ticket” isn’t found on a candy bar wrapper it’s discovered within.

Charles grew up doing humanitarian work with his family in the mountains of Guatemala before rising to become a world champion in modern pentathlon. He’s competed at two Olympic Games, won gold at the Pan American Games, and stood among the world’s best. But after the applause faded, Charles faced a deeper challenge: Who was he when the medals and titles weren’t enough?

Today, Charles leads IMPACTA, a high-performance coaching company helping leaders, athletes, and changemakers align identity, mindset, and purpose. His story is one of hunger for integrity, for presence, and for the kind of success that isn’t just seen, but felt.

💡 Episode Highlights:

What it really takes to compete and win on the world stage

The crash that comes after achieving your biggest dream

Redefining integrity: living in alignment with who you are

The difference between performing and being present

How to pursue excellence without losing yourself in the process

Why the “golden ticket” might not be what you think it is

🔗 Connect with Charles Fernández:
Website: Coach Compare Profile

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🧩 Season Theme: Hungry
What does it really mean to hunger for something deeper something more than routine, more than the surface-level faith that just gets us through the day? This season invites us to pay attention to what our souls crave and how we’re feeding that hunger.

👣 Guest Introduction:
How comfortable are you in the seat you’re sitting in right now? Not just physically but spiritually, emotionally, and mentally?

This week, I’m joined by Tera Elness, speaker, writer, and author of Sitting with Jesus a 365-day devotional born out of her own mornings spent literally “sitting with Jesus.” Tera invites us to pull up a chair and stay a while: to hear the small, life-changing words “I love you”, to feed our souls daily the way we feed our bodies, and to notice the small details like the sandals people wore in Bible times that reveal surprisingly big spiritual truths about how we walk through life.

💡 Episode Highlights:

How comfortable are you in the “chair” you’re sitting in today?

Why hearing “I love you” from God can change everything

The sandals of Bible-time people what their footwear teaches us about humility, journey, and how we actually walk in faith (Tera shares a memorable story about this)

The daily rhythm that deepened Tera’s relationship with Jesus

How to move from surviving to truly living

🔗 Connect with Tera Elness:
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📘 Sitting with Jesus on Amazon
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