During their regular session earlier this year, North Dakota lawmakers formed its own version of President Donald Trump's Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE.

It's a task force, as opposed to a department, and state Auditor Josh Gallion, who is participating in the meetings, said they've been calling it TOGE to avoid confusion with the federal efforts. But it's been making good progress, including reviewing a big problem the state has when it comes to implementing policy.

Namely, that nobody bothers to define what the success of that policy might look like. "I think what we learned a lot was we don't have performance measures," Gallion said on this episode of Plain Talk. He pointed out that the state often creates things, like economic development programs aimed at creating jobs or drawing workers to the state, without any sort of a mechanism for measuring how many jobs were created, or how many workers were inspired to move here.

"Is the money that we're putting into these programs, are they achieving desirable results? You know, if we're going to put a million dollars into a workforce program, is it affecting change? Is it moving the needle? Are we bringing workforce in? And how do we calculate some of that?" he asked.

Gallion also addressed controversy over an audit of Stark County. The report from his office concluded that the county government was breaking state law capping general fund carry-over balances at no more than 75% of the previous year's revenues. That report also included a response from the county that said "we agree" with the finding, only the county says that Gallion's office added those words, and they didn't agree to it.

"We wanted them to state we agree or disagree," Gallion said. "That should be the beginning of every response." He also claimed that the change was made only after consultation with Stark County, though a quote from the county auditor indicated that she didn't expect her county's comments to be modified.

"I wrote our responses to the audit for Stark County and I don't think they should have changed them," Stark County Auditor/Treasurer Karen Richard told the Dickinson Press, "but I do appreciate them clarifying why they changed the language."

Also on this episode, co-host Chad Oban and I discuss the standoff between Gov. Kelly Armstrong, Senate Majority Leader David Hogue, and Senate Minority Leader Kathy Hogan over new appointments to the state Ethics Committee.

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Farmers and ranchers are in a particularly vulnerable spot amid this protracted shutdown of the federal government.

President Donald Trump's erratic trade policies have driven up the cost of doing business, and complicated access to international markets, even as crop prices have come in below profitable levels. Trump's push prop up Argentinian President Javier Milei, an admirer and populist ally, through direct cash bailouts and quadrupling the beef imports from that country have also made life difficult for North Dakota ranchers at a time when farm and ranch bankruptcies are soaring.

Also, farmers and ranchers, who typically don't have access to employer-backed health insurance policies, are major users of the insurance marketplace created by Obamacare. Federal subsidies for those plans are the primary bone of contention between Democrats and Republicans during the shutdown. North Dakota Insurance Commissioner Jon Godfread has warned that if Congress doesn't renew those subsidies soon, those who get their insurance from the marketplace will face dramatic premium increases.

It is in this environment that the North Dakota Farm Bureau, one of the largest and most importance agriculture advocacy groups in the state, is set to elect a new leader. Val Wagner, one of the candidates for that position, joined this episode of Plain Talk.

"I personally just feel like the best way to have people understand where their food comes comes from, and for them to care about where their food comes from, is to talk to them about it, to have a relationship with them, so that they understand this isn't just some name on a box somewhere," she said. "That it really is a family that's behind all of this."

She also addressed the complex politics around agriculture issues, particularly at a time when much of the pain farmers and ranchers are facing is being caused a president rural Americans voted for overwhelmingly.

Wagner says that she wants to make the group less ideological than it has been in the past. "I really think that's our biggest thing, is that we need to re-engage those members that we have started to not hear from because they feel like sometimes the fringe is getting more attention than they are," she said.

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This week Gov. Kelly Armstrong announced his appointment to replace Superintendent Kirsten Baesler, who has been confirmed for a position in President Donald Trump's administration, but it's a somewhat unusual situation. Levi Bachmeier can't take office yet, because Baesler can't officially take her position in the federal government, because the government is shut down.

But eventually the rancor in Washington D.C. will subside enough for Baesler to move up, and for Bachmeier to move in.

In the mean time, the new appointee says he has resigned his seat on the State Board of Higher Education — "I submitted a resignation letter to the governor right after the press conference," he said on this episode of Plain Talk — and will be helping his replacement transition into his job as business manager for West Fargo Public Schools.

As for his new job? "I have a responsibility to ensure that that the focus is on what's best for students," he said.

The superintendent job is an elected one, and even though the four-year term he's taking over from Baesler just started this year, state law requires Bachmeier to appear on next year's ballot to have his appointment confirmed. The office is officially nonpartisan, but traditionally the candidates for it have sought endorsements from their political parties. The North Dakota Republican Party, which had endorsed Baesler in her three previous campaigns, has been taken over by a populist faction of Republicans and denied Baesler the party's endorsement at last year's state convention.

How will Bachmeier, who, like Baesler, is a political moderate, handle that situation? "I'm a Republican. I'm a conservative," Bachmeier, a former district chairman for the NDGOP, told us. "I won't be seeking, you know, the the Democratic convention support." But he's not sure about seeking the NDGOP's endorsement either, saying he needs to "think really hard about what I do as a Republican when it comes to running for a nonpartisan seat."

"I've been really focused on just thinking through how do I do the job well, and hope that if that's done well, the the politics will take care of itself," he said.

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